A Victory for Women

[christa08]

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After signing a slew of Executive Orders, President Barack Obama has added his John Hancock to the first bona fide collaborative effort with Congress. The law, The Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, seeks to right the injustice in the case of Lilly Ledbetter, who received a lesser salary than her male counterparts simply because of her gender.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by christa08

http://news.aol.com/political-machin...549x1201200648

Great news!!


Rick

[Daniel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/us...er-web.html?hp

[BruceChris]

Someone should take up a collection for this woman. Maybe we can get a few Supreme Court judges to kick in.

Let this be a warning to women. Don't trust anything made out of rubber, if it's made by Goodyear. You'll get screwed every time.

Bruce Chris

[Gennee]

Great news!
I never, ever understood why women are paid less than men for doing the same job.

Gennee

[Jennifer5]

So far, I haven't felt at all disappointed my his actions!

[pnggrad79]

I don't either since most of the men I know, personally, don't do half the work women do, yet they get paid much more than we do. It has always bothered me...

Work Women Do
clean house
laundry
having and raising babies
having full time jobs
cooking

Work Men Do
have full time jobs
sit on their ass when they get home
watch TV
expect to be waited on hand and foot.

This was my experience in a straight relationship. It was how my dad treated my mom. I know gay/lesbian relationships are different,and I feel it is much more egalitarian. She still makes more than I do, but doesn't feel that because of that fact that she has the right to hold it over my head and expect special treatment.

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

I don't either since most of the men I know, personally, don't do half the work women do, yet they get paid much more than we do. It has always bothered me...

Work Women Do
clean house
laundry
having and raising babies
having full time jobs
cooking

Work Men Do
have full time jobs
sit on their ass when they get home
watch TV
expect to be waited on hand and foot.

This was my experience in a straight relationship. It was how my dad treated my mom. I know gay/lesbian relationships are different,and I feel it is much more egalitarian. She still makes more than I do, but doesn't feel that because of that fact that she has the right to hold it over my head and expect special treatment.

I think that's changing though... responsibility is being divided.

For the most part, I think that's just about right though... and it's horrifying!

[christa08]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

I don't either since most of the men I know, personally, don't do half the work women do, yet they get paid much more than we do. It has always bothered me...

Work Women Do
clean house
laundry
having and raising babies
having full time jobs
cooking

Work Men Do
have full time jobs
sit on their ass when they get home
watch TV
expect to be waited on hand and foot.

This was my experience in a straight relationship. It was how my dad treated my mom. I know gay/lesbian relationships are different,and I feel it is much more egalitarian. She still makes more than I do, but doesn't feel that because of that fact that she has the right to hold it over my head and expect special treatment.

Luckily, this has not been my experience with marriage.

Jen-
I think that's changing though... responsibility is being divided.

This is how it is for us. Like I've said before, we don't follow society's typical gender roles. We take turns cooking and we both clean together. I have a wonderful husband

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by christa08

This is how it is for us. Like I've said before, we don't follow society's typical gender roles. We take turns cooking and we both clean together. I have a wonderful husband

I'm glad you know it! I think the divorce rate can be blamed on the failure to understand that it takes TWO people to make a relationship work. The few that figure that out, last.

[pnggrad79]

I just wrote a diatribe against straight men, and erased it all. I just sound like a bitter lesbian, and I don't want to come across as a man hater. I just need help seeing a different side of straight men. Maybe it is too much testosterone that I have the problem with. Maybe it is that I like being with a woman. She smells better, and is a hell of a lot softer and kinder and wonderful.

I have even had straight women look at my lesbian relationship and tell me they wish they had what I have. They don't want a lesbian relationship, just a relationship where they like who they have married. I just don't see that in a lot of straight marriages. Maybe I am too jaded and cynical in my old age....

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

I just wrote a diatribe against straight men, and erased it all. I just sound like a bitter lesbian, and I don't want to come across as a man hater. I just need help seeing a different side of straight men. Maybe it is too much testosterone that I have the problem with. Maybe it is that I like being with a woman. She smells better, and is a hell of a lot softer and kinder and wonderful.

I have even had straight women look at my lesbian relationship and tell me they wish they had what I have. They don't want a lesbian relationship, just a relationship where they like who they have married. I just don't see that in a lot of straight marriages. Maybe I am too jaded and cynical in my old age....

There are a few straight men who are the exception. I hope to find one for myself someday. I think my generation is a little better about having equal partnerships, but we'll see.

[BruceChris]

Originally Posted by Jennifer

There are a few straight men who are the exception. I hope to find one for myself someday.

I hope to be one myself someday

Bruce Chris

[Zerbie]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

I just wrote a diatribe against straight men, and erased it all. I just sound like a bitter lesbian, and I don't want to come across as a man hater. I just need help seeing a different side of straight men.

I'm more than happy to show off introduce you to my husband, or would be if you were in town.

He's aMAZing.
That said, I wind up doing the housework, but it's fair because I'm home so much more than he is. The one time I left town for a weekend without hubby, I came back to find he had cleaned and shined the house while I had been gone.

He is also the sweetest, smartest, funnest, cutest man in the world. When I think about what I have, omg, I swoon just thinking about him.



Maybe it is too much testosterone that I have the problem with. Maybe it is that I like being with a woman. She smells better,

OMG!! ROFL!



I have even had straight women look at my lesbian relationship and tell me they wish they had what I have. They don't want a lesbian relationship, just a relationship where they like who they have married. I just don't see that in a lot of straight marriages. Maybe I am too jaded and cynical in my old age....

That's so sad. Relationships are so important. It's critical to have a loving home that you like going home to, and feeling supported by the one you share it with.

Originally Posted by Jennifer5

There are a few straight men who are the exception. I hope to find one for myself someday. I think my generation is a little better about having equal partnerships, but we'll see.

Yes, there are. It took me a long time to clue in to how many wonderful straight men there are. Or perhaps, came a point whereafter I suddenly (finally) started meeting them. If you can find just one straight guy who really has it together, his guy friends are likely to also be good people who have their act together. The men hubby is friends with are all wonderful, intelligent, empathetic people also, the gay ones and the straight ones, no distinction.

I think the key is meeting just a couple of people with their act together and high expectations of themselves -- they will likely associate with others who have like values.

Communicating, and knowing yourself and your partner, those are the essential things. You have to know what is a deal-breaker and what you can negotiate. If you want kids and s/he absolutely does not, break up. Otherwise, either you will be heartbroken wanting kids or they will resent having their kids. You have to be compatible enough religiously/philosophically that whether your religious practice or lack thereof is the same or not, you each respect and support your partner in its practice. Things like that can be deal-breakers.
Who does the laundry and who cooks can be negotiated, unless you absolutely can't figure out how to boil water or open a TV dinner.