Did Obama con us?

[awediot]

Originally Posted by tymejumper

I have often wondered that myself. People get so mad that they get lied to by a politician, when they are originally elected because they lie the best.(may the best liar win!)

And we think this time, this time it will be different and we'll get an honest person who'll really listen to us...the honeymoon ends, and, things just seem to progress in the same fashion, around the annoying rhetorical promises we AGAIN were to stupid and willingly naive not to see though.

It is intensely depressing to criticize hope and optimism. They exploit that, four years softens the cynicism we know is deserved during election time, and, well, here we are...

Obama has to get his idea through alot of people. With our checks and balance system of government a bill or change had to go through so many levels to get passed... One hand does not know what the other is doing...

Does Obama really want what he's preaching, or has he just mastered expressing what he knows we want, what we need to hear, in a mesmerizingly sincere way? Maybe the right and left hand flapping and wringing in apparent chaos, is quicker than they eye, and they understand exactly what they are doing, and present the incompatibility of the two parties as a smoke screen...

(put's on wacky, tin lined conspiracy theorists dunce cap...)

We really need to dissemble the governemnt, and rebuild it from the ground up. Until then I am afraid that not a whole lot will change.

Follow the swinging watch...your eyes are getting heavy...sleep...sleep...

It all begins to fall into place when the paragon of patriotism and star spangled defender of oil drunken imperialism, George Bush, is viewed as foremost a globalist... His father was the first president I heard speak outwardly of THE NEW WORLD ORDER... What gets in the way of geopolitical ambition is Nationalism...and no other power, much less the super-est one, is a bastion of National Pride like AMERICA. Despite the gaudy promotion of patriotism, national interest and security, he left the boarder open, but banned hair gel on planes... Why?

The backlash... to get even the red, white and bible belt to burn out and sense a bit of shame in America losing it's way and becoming a bully. Never has America been so distrusted and hated, then the way Bush left it...Exactly opposite of how it was sold to... That was no accident... No external attack could do anything but bandwagon us under a pride with it's finger on the button, and a new willingness to strike first if we even think you may be planning something... So, America must be killed from within. The masses must WANT to "dissemble the governemnt, and rebuild it from the ground up."

It is working stunningly. The revolution coming boiling up here, is a set up. We will shread our totaled government for a more UN-like co-op umbrella world organization with sovereign control over all militaries, banks, and the SBNR (spiritual but not religious) "Church". They will have their down home, sweet talking "real guy this time" savior in place, waiting, and we will flock to the executioner for peace and comfort... The Phoenix needs ashes to rise from. We are being set on fire as I type.

The desperation Bush fostered, has triggered the blind adoration Obama and the illusion of change he represents...but what has been planned, and aspired to for thousands of years won't skip a beat... Strange that the closer to there being the possibility of a King of the World (the ultimate goal of the power hungry ruler), the more crazy and cartoony it sounds. That we chuckle the unthinkable thought off with denied, nervous confidence, is what successful brainwashed feels.

We all want a truly loving, peaceful world united in mutual respect, caring, charity and human decency...a global order. But that want is being exploited, and we are being conditioned to quickly assemble a facsimile of it before we kill ourselves. It will be based on fear and duress and desperation, not a genuine paradigm shift into tolerant, all embracing love for one another... Obama is just another tool and exemplary, hypnotically slick figure-head, and the slow discovery of this fact may push us over the edge this time.

(pointy hats down...)

[Daniel]

As someone in my family once said when the conversation got a little tense re politics and what-not:

Everything will be Ok because Jesus will come back!

[awediot]

Originally Posted by Daniel

As someone in my family once said when the conversation got a little tense re politics and what-not:

Everything will be Ok because Jesus will come back!

Bless their simple, probably huge heart.

I'm a tad more, rabid and interactive than that...

[tymejumper]

Originally Posted by awediot

And we think this time, this time it will be different and we'll get an honest person who'll really listen to us...the honeymoon ends, and, things just seem to progress in the same fashion, around the annoying rhetorical promises we AGAIN were to stupid and willingly naive not to see though.

But do most Americans want to see through? Or do they want to not be bothered to think for themselves? It's like "think it's partiotic". Basically, you have outlined the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It will never become a different outcome until we change what we are doing.

It is intensely depressing to criticize hope and optimism. They exploit that, four years softens the cynicism we know is deserved during election time, and, well, here we are...

This is where I agree with you.

Does Obama really want what he's preaching, or has he just mastered expressing what he knows we want, what we need to hear, in a mesmerizingly sincere way? Maybe the right and left hand flapping and wringing in apparent chaos, is quicker than they eye, and they understand exactly what they are doing, and present the incompatibility of the two parties as a smoke screen...

Of course he is preaching what the public wants to hear and believe, I know this is awfully cynical but unfortunately, life has taught me such.

It is not hard for the government to dumb us all down, we go so willingly to slaughter. We believe everything they say, we do not question and if they want us to change our minds, they just put on public ads and shows that highlight the way they want us to think. They call it programming for a reason. The government does not value higher ed in our children, we do not give extra funding to gifted students to help them excell. They do whatever they can to make us mediocre and we come crawling back for more and more. They are trying to make a nice, untihinking lot of followers, and I wonder how theuy have suceeded at times.

[offog]

What's with this argument that gay marriage is too expensive? I heard something awhile back on The Daily Show about employers being opposed to gay marriage because it would mean more married people with spouses that employers would have to pay benefits for.

That's one of the most lamest arguments I've ever heard. You could use that argument to justify discriminating against all married people when hiring. Can you imagine the fuss conservatives would make if employers starting firing straight employees who got married and/or had kids because the employers didn't want to pay benefits for spouses and families? Or if employers decided to refuse to hire straight married job applicants?

Besides that, gays are, what, ten percent of the population? How much extra would gay marriage really cost the economy?

If there's another reason DOMA supporters are saying gay marriage is too expensive, I'd be interested in finding out. Anybody out there hear or see anything?

[tdogg]

Outlawing marriage for same sex couples is expensive. Just think of the tax dollars that would be had on wedding expenses if everyone could get married! More money into the economy.