Question (The Bible)

[LOGOS]

Originally Posted by SolApollo

No, I do not believe the Bible as the source of absolute truth. I believe in God and the teachings of Christ, but the Bible was written by fallible men with their own personal agendas. The current Bible has been translated, edited, and changed drastically since its origins and it would seem irrational to view it as absolutely correct. Indeed, the modern Bible was composed and compiled by the bishops at Nicea as ordered by the emperor Constantine that had converted to Christianity. I recommend reading credible articles on www.religioustolerance.org concerning the topic, and also works by historical & religious scholars to put it in proper understanding.

Apollo, the question that I have is, what makes those articles credible? The fact that you or anyone embraces them or the Bible does not make it right. The reason why I believe that the Bible is COMPLETELY 100% accurate is because I believe that GOD is 100% COMPLETELY Sovereign. The Nicene Creed took place because God allowed it to because of His gracious nature. The same gracious nature that give you and I breath each day. So He (GOD) extends love, mercy, and grace everyday because HE is completely sovereign over the entire universe. Why? Because He created it. He spoke it into existence. If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by LOGOS

Apollo, the question that I have is, what makes those articles credible? The fact that you or anyone embraces them or the Bible does not make it right. The reason why I believe that the Bible is COMPLETELY 100% accurate is because I believe that GOD is 100% COMPLETELY Sovereign. The Nicene Creed took place because God allowed it to because of His gracious nature. The same gracious nature that give you and I breath each day. So He (GOD) extends love, mercy, and grace everyday because HE is completely sovereign over the entire universe. Why? Because He created it. He spoke it into existence. If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.

So this means that there's apparently no hell to worry about because the Nicene Creed doesn't mention anything about hell. If hell actually existed then certainly it would deserve at least one line in the Nicene Creed. But nope.

Also, the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Satan. So apparently Satan isn't very important either. At least not important enough to mention.

If Satan does indeed exist according to Bible believing Christians then I think a line needs to be added to the Nicene Creed that says, "By the way, watch out for Satan!!"


the Nicene Creed--->http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm



Rick

[Pablo Rafael]

Originally Posted by LOGOS

If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.

I respect where you are coming from here. I believe that the Bible is inspired and that God has preserved it through history. But to say that it is 100% infallible places the Bible up as God. Only God is infallible.

I think the Bible would be infallible is we had perfect understanding, but as Saint Paul says, "Now we see as through a glass dimly".

A major problem lies in the fact that everyone interprets the Bible differently. If we all had a perfect understanding of the scriptures, it would be a different matter. But when we read the Bible, we all put our own interpretation on it. Growing up in the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod I noticed that there were many different interpretations of Biblical events and teachings. If even in the super strict, believe-as-you-are-told environment of the LCMS there is a diversity of belief, then who has gotten it right?

I also think that the Bible has a lot of imagery and allegory. Scripture is the main way that God reveals himself to His people. But there are contradictions in the Bible if read literally. One cannot get around that fact.

I have no problem reciting the Nicene Creed every Sunday. I think is is a good summary of the main points of Christian faith. I do not like how you categorize people who do not believe in your idea of infallibility as non believers. I believe that the Bible is inerrant in its principles, but I do not think each word is inspired literal truth. Yet I am quite sure that I am a believer in the God of the Bible.