Homosexuality is not a sin!

[HELENz]

Fabulous... I should post my Theology paper when I get it back. It's about... you guessed it! Misinterpretations of the Bible and how they're used against GLBT people! =) Any interest?

=)

[jgoetz]

Does anybody in Soulforce believe that sexual relations apart from lifelong monogamy is wrong?

[Pablo Rafael]

Originally Posted by jgoetz

Does anybody in Soulforce believe that sexual relations apart from lifelong monogamy is wrong?

Personally I believe that sex is best expressed lifelong marriage commitment. However much energy has been expended by our society in general and in the Christian church specifically to hinder, discourage and break apart homosexual couples. As the church in general tries to support and assist straight couples to keep marriages healthy and solid, why does it do the opposite to gay partnerships?

Conservative Christians point to gay relationships and say, "See they always break apart. That means they are bad." But those same conservatives do all they can to undermine those relationships.

Just a side point. Lesbian couples statistically are more mongamous and have a lower break-up rate than do heterosexual couples.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by HELENz

Fabulous... I should post my Theology paper when I get it back. It's about... you guessed it! Misinterpretations of the Bible and how they're used against GLBT people! =) Any interest?

=)

Yes. I'd love to see it.

Rick

[Gennee]

How do conservative Christians explain the divorce rate among Christians? It's about the same as among secular folks. That's really sad because Christians should exemplify what marriage is.

Gennee

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by jgoetz

Does anybody in Soulforce believe that sexual relations apart from lifelong monogamy is wrong?

James, you will find a great variety of opinions here among the members of Soulforce forums. Soulforce is not monolithic. Asking this type of question, would be like asking you, an evangelical christian, to speak for ALL evangelical christians, or all protestant denominations.

[bnmoore]

Did protestantism arise from the seven words "Rome has spoken. The matter is settled"? It could be viewed as clergy within the church calling B.S.

[HELENz]

Originally Posted by Rick336

Yes. I'd love to see it.

Rick

I shall be posting it, then. Soon as I get it back from my professor. (=

[jgoetz]

Originally Posted by keltic63

James, you will find a great variety of opinions here among the members of Soulforce forums. Soulforce is not monolithic. Asking this type of question, would be like asking you, an evangelical christian, to speak for ALL evangelical christians, or all protestant denominations.

Thank you. I assumed that Soulforce is not monolithic. And I didn't ask about the official Soulforce doctrine, but I asked the question to discover how different people in Soulforce would answer it. (I also thought that I started a new thread, but I guess that I didn't.)

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by jgoetz

Does anybody in Soulforce believe that sexual relations apart from lifelong monogamy is wrong?

A very interestingly framed question.

Sex is beautiful and varied. Do you find beauty in flowers and peacock feathers? They are all about sex. Peacocks and flowers are not monogamous

Monogamy is a label creted by some humans, but is actually very rare. Serial monogamy is an oxymoron and misleading. getting married , divorcing and remarrying is serial polygamy.

I made love with two of my boyfriends an hour ago. We are a family. We share the gift of the capacity for intimacy with each other creating magic, security and peace.

[tymejumper]

I honestly believe that some people do better with monogomy and others with open relationships or polyamourous relationships.

I have experienced both polyamourous and monogomous relationships and for me, it is most fufilling for me to express my sexuality in a monogomous one.

Sex is never wrong if you are honest and loving about it weather you are in a monogmous relationship or not.

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by tymejumper

I .

Sex is never wrong if you are honest and loving about it weather you are in a monogmous relationship or not.

A truth too often obsured by societal models, laws and prejudice.

[tymejumper]

Scott, we are in complete agreement on that.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by scott snedeker

Peacocks and flowers are not monogamous.

Come on. I bet there are at least a few peacock and flower couples that are in committed relationships.


Rick

[bnmoore]

I've heard that swans and wolves mate for life but I don't know if it's true. As a joke I say I was raised by gay wolves. So am I a wolf among sheep or a dawg amongst poodles? It really doesn't matter.

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by bnmoore

I've heard that swans and wolves mate for life but I don't know if it's true. As a joke I say I was raised by gay wolves. So am I a wolf among sheep or a dawg amongst poodles? It really doesn't matter.

And everyone knows that a gay man bitten by a were wolf gets turned into a poodle during the full moon

[BruceChris]

HELEN, yeah! I wanna see your paper,too.

And Scott, that's my kind of punch line, (but you got to it first)

BC

[HELENz]

Lmao, I actually did get some of my research from here! Good 'ol Mel White, bless his soul.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by jgoetz

Does anybody in Soulforce believe that sexual relations apart from lifelong monogamy is wrong?

From my point of view, what is curious about this question is that it emphasizes the negative rather than something life affirming and positive.

Just seeing the word WRONG is like stumbling over something. It trips one up.

I am sure that there are couples who are so crazy for each other that it doesn't occur to them to have sexual experiences outside the relationship. But this isn't a negative prohibition. Rather, it is self-sustaining.

Lastly, I think it takes a very 'awake' individual to navigate the currents of sexual desire. Why? It is all too easy to objectify another person, which can lead to destructive mental states like jealousy, possessiveness etc. Compassion for one's self and others, on the other hand, has something of a light touch.

[antiochian]

Let me share something my (straight) cousin told my sister. She was talking about how Christians are told to save themselves for marriage. In her case, when she did get married, the man turned out to be a total jerk. The marriage ended. She had saved herself for a jerk, and she regretted it.

I think each person makes his/her own choice on the matter. In the case of many same sex couples, if they waited for marriage, which presently is unavailable in 45 states, not to mention other countries where same sex marriage is illegal, they'd probably be waiting indefiniately.

Of course, sex is no doubt better when experienced between people who have a loving commitment to each other. But I don't believe we have to save ourselves for marriage. Neither do I believe that sex is strictly for procreation, as conservative Catholics and many other Christians do.