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This week, in the Bay Area Reporter, a San Francisco Bay Gay Newspaper, and article I co-wrote appeared, offering a different look at some of the issues in DADT. While this is not a position supported by Soulforce, I believe it is something worthwhile in considering. Kara
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I have had very serious doubts and anger that of all of the big issues on the national level, THIS is the one most likely to be dealt with. Queer people will have the right to die for a government that doesn't really care a toss for them at home.
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You mention Japan and Terrorists. In your opinion, what should've the US done, as a country, after Pearl Harbor?
What should've the US done in the face of Hitler? What should the US have done after 9/11? Sit back and let our family members be murdered by religious zealots? I served in the Army and came out toward the end of my commitment - contract. I finished my required service & I didn't re-enlist. I'm proud of that service. I now work overseas supporting those troops. These troops volunteered to serve their country and protect us from aggressors such as those that attacked us on 9/11. These soldiers are out here in the desert waving a flag that says- "Here we are come and get us." Last edited by drobs; 08-28-2010 at 11:27 AM. |
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"what should've the US done, as a country, after Pearl Harbor?" The Japanese bombed a U.S. Naval base - what we did, under the excuse of "ending the war," was bomb two civilian cities - not just with bombs but with Atomic bombs. Not just one civilian city, but a second one three days later. The radiation from those bombs continued to kill people for decades and decades. And yet today, we have the audacity to tell other nations that even though, we've used these horrendous, immoral weapons, we have the right to decide who may use nuclear power. "How do we respond to terrorists? " Well let's remember, first that the vast majority of those involved in the 9/11 attack were from Saudi, Arabia, NOT IRAQ! But Saudi was our oil partner, and the Bushes were good friends being they were also oil barons. So did we attack Saudi? Nope, we manufactured an excuse of Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and we attacked them. And the belief that we can deter terrorists with weapons, to me is absolutely absurd. First and foremost it is vital that we understand that war is a LAST RESORT - certainly not to be used as a preemptory strike. Your second erroneous assumption is that violence solves anything. Violence only creates more violence. The problem is, as I see it, that most people don't have the courage to stand up nonviolently and risk their lives, they'd rather risk the lives of others. Fr. Daniel Berrigan said it best during the VN war, that the reason we have failed as peacemakers is that the waging of peace is at least as costly as the waging of war. I support the troops. I supported when I went to Iraq at the start of the war, and I continue to support them. I want them home, safe and sound able to live their lives constructively. What our soldiers have experienced throughout this war is so devastating, that the only option for many of them is suicide. Never in our history have so many veterans taken their own lives. Clearly something is wrong. Kara |
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Toward the end of WWll, the suggestion was made to drop a nuclear bomb close to, but not directly on the Japanese Islands. Close enough to, well, GET THEIR ATTENTION. Looking back on the devastation that was caused, I believe it would have achieved at least that.
But in a wartime state of mind, and with the warning of 100,s of thousands of American casualties to actually conquer the islands, fear won out. BruceChris
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I am an American and I'm proud of it. I have seen a lot of the world and I will take America, with all of its flaws, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I'm starting to notice a common trend in society today - no one wants to make moral decisions or determinations. I don't know if that's the new psychology of the day or what. Let's take the idea of Evil. Does Evil exist? Yes it does. We can look at examples from history to see Evil. Hitler is an example of what Evil is. It was up to the world to stand against his actions. The US faced that Evil head on. The US put its young men and boys against that tyranny. On that point, something to consider with Japan, Germany, and Iraq is the US has always built its enemies back up into free nations with democracy. The US doesn't colonize or exploit its former enemies. No one wants to see lives lost, people hurt etc. But there has to be consequences for actions. The gloves come off in war. When war is necessary it’s not pretty. It’s awful and it needs to be done swiftly. I don’t agree with the reasons we invaded Iraq but I have talked with many an Iraqi citizen. All are happy that Saddam is out. Saddam is no longer torturing, mass murdering, or gassing his own people. They are happy that American came here to fight for them & make them free. As I mentioned before, our Soldiers are here with a target on their backs for those same terrorists (or religious fanatics) that attacked us. They are the reason there have been no attacks in the US since 9/11. They are the reason we are free to have our own dissenting opinions. |
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It seems to me that for many patriotism is more important than trusting in God. Money and power American style are the new icons that we worship. And God forbid we ever acknowledge that America has done something wrong. And the suggestion that America doesn't colonize or exploit is so far from the truth. Dr.Orbs, you need to stop and read Howard Zinns book, The People's History, and you'll get a whole different view of what America has done over the years. Interestingly this morning one of the reflections on the scriptures I received, I think is very appropoe, and I'll share it below. Quote:
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Kara, I'm a veteran and served during the Vietnam era. I'm no war monger but I'm very proud of having served. We do need a strong military but I don't believe that we should mettle in other countries and their internal affairs. If this country faced an attack I would be involved.
The premise for going into Iraq was false to begin with. I figured all that out a week or two after 9/11. I was 1 1/2 miles from the attacks. I also became a Chrsitian while in the service. Men and women were able to serve in the military and still be faithful. It could be tough and I expereinced some of the ridicule and taunts. It was worth it though because it made me stronger. The point to remember is that the military is made of men and women who serve honorably. The reasons are various but still they do it. Gennee
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Dear Gennee: I have the utmost respect for our soldiers and veterans who have risked their lives. My co-author has been following the discussion, here on the forums, but is not a "member," so he asked if I could post this for him:
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In Mpls and St. Paul, they're Rep. Keith Ellison, 612-522-1212
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, 612-727-5220 and Sen. Al Franken, 651-221-1016 The President is at Barack Obama <president@whitehouse.gov>, "President Barack Obama" <president@messages.whitehouse.gov> and probably other addresses. So you can call their staffers, no charge/local call, and ask for an end to DADT, and any other not gay friendly federal laws. For other states, Google or use the phone book. Sexual orientation is a Condition of Birth, but gender, and skin color are also Conditions of Birth. I hope we're not going back to racism, or sexism. Good luck, BruceChris
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The more I think about this article the more it continues to insult me.
This article is akin to telling African Americans in the 60's to not ride the bus but to stay home & walk. This article strikes me as going against what we Gay Americans stand for. We Gay Americans need to stand against discrimination in every form and in every place. I find it further reprehensive the use of the suicides of amongst our military members to justify the views of the authors. That's just sickening. |
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