This saddens me...

[aftercomingout]

I got to read this a website before... I think it was a comment of some guy about homosexuality... Once again... People who promote this kind of thinking will just lead to further oppression of the LGBT...

"The facts about homosexuality are as follows: 5% of gays are born that way, the other 95% are gay because of bad upbringing/experiences. The CIA have indirectly funded gay rights groups and feminist groups to pervert society and destroy the family structure, thus decreasing birth rate. Homosexuality is a mental disorder but we shouldn't hate them, we should care for them. With our help and support they CAN change."

[Dash]

Sad, yes...but kind of a demotion too....hmmmm.

I thought we were the "tool of Satan." This statement says we're merely a "tool of the CIA?" Is there a pay cut involved as well?

[Jennifer5]

and that quote is a good reason to be a little upset... but those are all over the place and we justhave to learn how to read/or not read it, and move on... we must just keep going, knowing that there really are people who love us exactly the way we are

[Dash]

Look Jen! We have the same time stamp on our posts!! Wow!

[Jennifer5]

what do you mean?

[Dash]

We both posted at 1:11PM...

[Jennifer5]

I didn't even realize that...lol... you managed to get your's in while I was writing mine...

[Giancarlo]

The CIA? Whoever posted that seems to have emotional problems.

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by Dash

We both posted at 1:11PM...

not according to my comp's clock. it was actually 2:11pm

oh, and now the CIA made me gay???

[aftercomingout]

Hey Thanks guys! Your comments really made me smile. Yeah... Probably the one who posted that also has emotional problems...
Even included the bashing the CIA...

[Dash]

Hey aftercomingout! I'm glad you could smile. It makes me think of Ray Bradbury's novel "Something Wicked This Way Comes." If you haven't read it, it deals with topics of melancholy, fear and evil. The heros of the story discover that overcoming the dark forces involves finding happiness and laughter.

Anyway...sometimes all I can do is laugh at the nonsense that comes out of the anti-gay mind. If I don't find something to laugh at, I just want to cry. Fortunately, anti-gay folks provide an endless supply of lunacy!

Do you ever visit Good As You? I go there almost every day to get a hearty laugh at the silliness of our opponents. Sometimes that "humble scribe" loses his own good humor, but generally he helps me keep my own good cheer.

CIA! Hahahahahah!!!!

[ladyinred]

I'm glad everyone is positive and upbeat. I don't know what else to say, you all pretty much say it... It's pretty inspiring to be around a group like this, it helps offset alot of the negativity I hear with the religious right folks . I belong to a forum on copper, while there are people who are open minded and say that gays should have the same rights and protections as anyone else. There is the backlash of those who call themselves religious and print all the misinformation and distortions about the gay lifestyle.. So it is encouraging to be here among you all. I need a break awy from that stuff.

[ladyinred]

Have you all ever asked yourself why these people are so obsessed about gays anyway. Shouldn't they attend to their own affairs and marriages and lives. It's really weird, but they are really obsessed about gays and their lifestyle.. For example shouldn't "focus on the family" be just that, focus on their families...? Don't they have better things to do? I guess not . It is just really weird to me.

[Zerbie]

Hi Lady - or, Red - (trying to come up with a short version of your screenname , I'm not liking LIR which sounds too much like Long Island Railroad, yeah I'm a dork for thinking of that ) - good question.

I've never understood why there is such attention on gays. Except as scapegoating. Have you read Mel White's Religion Gone Bad? He does a nice job of putting the anti-gay stuff into a larger socio-historical perspective. It's worth a look, and based on your posts here so far, I believe it would interest you a good deal.

[ladyinred]

Yeah, I think I'll look into it, I was checking it out.. It seems like he knows his stuff for sure.. I've just gained information on what I've read on different websites. Such as religious tolerance, Crossleft, Talk to action, Bush watch, Afterdowningstreet,and theocracywatch.org. I like to keep informed. So my knowledge is still growing about alot of this stuff. But like I said, I get sick of going to other forums on other websites and one of the primary issues is gays. and I've seen the anti gay rhetoric, well I figured if they could spread their stuff on the web so would I. I'll tell you what, I get alot of support from the atheists or agnostics, even though I'm neither. I chat with them alot..And many of them have liberal views and are also bashed alot of times on these forums. But alot of them speak up for gay rights and are not afraid to say what they think... These people are definitely not timid.. I admire them for that. I'd also like to add , why I write on these forums is to educate people and dispel myths about GLBT people.. as well as to what the relgious right is doing.... One of my first endeavors several years back was to debunk the myth that only gay people get aids. I was furious with that one. Because I felt the media was also distorting the facts and seeing this as a "gay disease.". Aids, like any other disease doesn't discriminate.. I also replied that if this is a gay disease , how come so many people in Africa and other countries are dying from it among primarily heterosexual couples. I stated the epidemic has left 10,000,000 + orphaned.. I also added if this was a gay disease, then only gay people could get it. Well we now know the disease can be spread different ways and not only sexual contact... And we also know of cases of heterosexuals getting aids here in the US.I can't site the statistics on that one. But I've read articles.. I was trying to dispel the stigma toward gays about this disease.I've heard outrageous comments as aids is a punnishment of God toward gays for their "immorality." Explain then how infected straight mothers transferred this disease to their unborn children, we've heard numerous stories on that one.

[ladyinred]

I figure if they can spread lies and misinformation , I can spread truths without distortion and misleading information.

[ladyinred]

I will say in my earlier writings on forums such as these, when I read the anti-gay rhetoric on these forums I had a bone to pick with them and I was out show them just how wrong they were, getting into arguments many times. Guess what, it just escalated into a warfare of words, and I was getting atttacks on all fronts, I certainly didn't gain their sympathy or understanding by any means,It just made things worse. So I've learned alot since then and I've gentled-down. Instead of making rude remarks and insulting them. Usually I just try to point out my view and will say, I disagree with you on this one. Or this is my point of view without getting into inflamatory and negative remarks about them. Either that or I will say something complimentary about them in spite of our differences. It makes it easier..... And even though they may not change their minds, there aren't the derogatory remarks that go on..or the arguments or accusations back and forth. I really defeated my purpose back then. Like I pointed out to one gentlemen because we talk about other things and issues as well. "Well I know you are a sincere Christian but I just don't see it that way." And while I may disagree with you about this, I'm not trying to insult or offend you, this is just something we don't see eye to eye on.

[ladyinred]

By the way in one of the earlier post a woman was commenting that gays are trying to censor free speech in America... I'd like to note that any group that has hate rhetoric or violence directed at them or even encouraged toward them , will not take this lying down... I use this to illustrate a point... Supose the target was another minority group such as blacks.. And the Christian right started spreading all sorts of hateful rhetoric about them...saying they were causing the decay and downfall of society and we needed to get rid of them. How do you think they would react? Not too kindly to say the least. I am not advocating hatred of blacks in any way , but just using them to illustrate a point, In fact the republican wanted to amend the "Right to vote act." ..Why? Isn't that a form of discrimination on their part toward other minority groups like black people? Republicans are Fencing Out Ordinary Americans
House of Representatives - September 20, 2006



Mr. Speaker, the Republicans are so concerned about their own hides that today they voted to fence off the U.S. Constitution from the American people. There is nothing to do with borders between the U.S. and Mexico or between the U.S. and Canada. It has everything to do with the Republican Party fencing out ordinary Americans from participating in their own government.

Watch this floor speech
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Why let everyone vote when they might actually vote for the Democrat or for the independent? Democracy is messy for the Republican Party these days, so they are going to short-circuit the process. Who needs to stay up late to watch the vote returns or worry about exit polls, when Republicans have come up with a plan to deny 7 million ordinary Americans the right to vote?

Of course, they have targeted people they don't think will vote Republican: the disadvantaged, the disabled, the elderly, Native Americans, among others. Republicans like to say they are spreading democracy around the world. Here at home, they are using this bill to disenfranchise American people.

Republicans have created a nonexistent crisis because their right-wing base is unhappy and in need of attention. Today the Republicans moved to solve a crisis they created. They want everyone to have an official government-issued photo ID before they could vote.

So much for that Republican line about getting the Federal Government out of our lives. The Republicans want the Federal Government in your face, snapping pictures. Before you could vote, you would have to produce an official government-issued photo ID. A passport would work. You know, that is the kind of document that the rich have, because they take vacations in other countries. The poor don't take vacations at all. No passport, no vote. No problem for Republicans.

Of course, the Republicans will rush to the podium over here to say that you can use your driver's license. They will not tell you that the National Commission on Federal Election Reform in 2001 estimated that up to 10 percent of Americans eligible to vote do not have official State photo ID, like a driver's license; no photo ID, no vote, no problem for Republicans.

Now, in Georgia and Missouri, they tried this. It was thrown out in court. So today we do it at the national level. We are going to do it for everybody. They will be delighted if ordinary Americans stay home on election day. In fact, they would be relieved.

They know that this bill will encourage it. That is why Republicans are behind it 150 percent. It is the latest step in the Republican strategy to hold on to power in the election of 2006, even if they have to dismantle the democracy to do it. They passed the Help America Vote Act, and then amended it to become the Help Republicans Stay in Power Act by underfunding the legislation.

They said they were helping, but they put no money out there. It is reminiscent of Florida in 2000. Republicans are building a border fence inside our borders to keep the American people out of participating in their own government. This bill will prevent millions of people from casting a ballot, exactly what the Republicans want.

Republicans want to replace the fundamental right in America, the government of the people, by the people and for the people with something else: government of the few, by the privileged and for the rich. This is the creed of the Republican 1 percent Party.

The President of the League of Women Voters, Mary Wilson said, "This is an attempt to politicize the voting process by erecting barriers to keep many eligible legal voters from participating. Congress should not be playing politics with our right to vote," closed quote.

Yet the Republicans are hijacking the right to vote of an ordinary Americans. Why? Because they are afraid of losing power and afraid they can't scare the American people into submission any longer. Letting every eligible American vote means the American people might actually choose the person they want.

That is something Republicans find truly frightening, so they are building a fence to keep the Americans out of America. But the fence won't go up in this bill till 2008, so the American people have a mid-term election ahead. You know what they are up to. You know what they want to do.

But you have a chance to vote, still, everybody has a chance to vote, and the people can vote and protect their right to vote by voting against people who will put up this kind of legislation. We saw in 2000 the efforts to keep people away in indirect ways. This is a direct shot at Americans' right to vote.

[ladyinred]

This say something about how absolute power corrupts.. Republicans want to maintain that control ,even at the expense of th American people. Why do people vote for this party then? If they are trying to undermine our constitutional rights and are not acting in th best interests or welfare of this country. Not only are they corrupted by greed, but their lust for power and control.

[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by ladyinred

Have you all ever asked yourself why these people are so obsessed about gays anyway. Shouldn't they attend to their own affairs and marriages and lives. It's really weird, but they are really obsessed about gays and their lifestyle.. For example shouldn't "focus on the family" be just that, focus on their families...? Don't they have better things to do? I guess not . It is just really weird to me.

They think more about gay sex than gay people do. It's actually quite ironic. Did you hear there was a study done some time ago indicating that 80% of homophobes in fact like the same sex?

And yes, they are indeed focusing on the family! Focusing on ruining it in any way they can. These people who claim they preach family values are driving LGBT youth onto the streets. It angers me greatly.