On homosexuality and resurrection

Pacific · #1 01-05-2007, 06:38 AM

Dear members of this Forum.

Some time ago I disvovered the Forbidden Letters to Philip Gardiner. The first two letters are a little bit complicated (quick exchange of information between the Paris 4, the authors of the letters, and Philip Gardiner), but soon everything becomes clear.

The theory is that a man is resurrected through a microcosmic stone in his body(microcosmic means simply sub-atomic, so in the quantum-realm). And that means that stone is everywhere at the same time (no distances in the quantum world!).

This stone is the living stone, the Christ of 1 Peter 2:4, the stone of Transmutation of lead (metaphor for a mortal body into gold (an immortal body), so the stone of alchemy.

It propells the fire of resurrection (Kundalini). The phoenix is allegory for a human body consumed and recomposed through that (kundalini)fire.

The Letters say only certain homosexuals posess the necessary balance of the inner male/female to safely conduct that fire.

It is through this holy marriage (microcosmic sex) that the divine child is produced in the body. Through 'The Kingdom within, you don't know' (Jesus).

That's why it is written 'he who is near me (Christ as the stone) is near the fire, and he who is near the fire is near the Kingdom' (Gospel according to Thomas).

That stone is the Grail according to Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzival. 'By the power of that stone (the Grail), the Phoenix (kundalini) burns to ashes, but the ashes restore him to life again'.

This means one is resurrected from a living body ('let the dead bury the dead') and not from a grave. Alive is only he, who is reborn from that fire.

That is alchemy. It is called the Work of the Sun by the Egyptians. And the magnum opus by the european alchemists.

Ibn Rumi summarizes that process with the words 'You have the energy of the [microcosmic] sun in you. But you keep knotting it up at the base of your spine.' [The Kundalini-snake and it's energy reside in the Sacrum]

And end-time theory is involved too. And if that theory is correct, then we are living in an interesting era, to put it mildly...

I would advise you to read at least

a) The Letters (5 in total)

b) Part 2 (13 emails)

c) The Paris 4 Newsletter

d) The Jonathan Rice and Otto Reich articles.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/Phili...en_letters.htm

Best wishes,
Pacific.

Pacific · #2 01-05-2007, 11:37 AM

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The Hendaye chapter is perhaps the single most astounding esoteric work in
western history. It offers proof that alchemy is somehow connected to
eschatology, that is, the timing of the end of the world. And it offers the
conclusion that a double catastrophe is imminent.[From 'A Monument to the
End of Time: Alchemy, Fulcanelli and the Great Cross' by Jay Weidner and
Vincent Bridges]

Taken from the Otto Reich article on the Forbidden Letters. (Link is in the left column.)

keltic63 · #3 01-05-2007, 02:00 PM

will all of your posts include the promotion of and links to other websites?

Pacific · #4 01-06-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by keltic63

will all of your posts include the promotion of and links to other websites?

Dear Keltic,

certainly not. But it so happened that the response articles on the Forbidden Letters (the main reason why I joined this forum) cover so much that seems to be relevant to other threads, and that they justify separate discussions IMO too (nature of the soul/reincarnation). And it is about quality, isn't it, and not about the sources.

I'm the more surprised about your question, because I see many very noisy and silly posts that ad absolutely noyhing to a thread, yet no intervention or complaint from a moderator.

Best,
Pacific.

Pacific · #5 02-05-2007, 02:56 AM

A new article has been published. http://www.world-mysteries.com/Phili...letters_16.htm

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'In view of the recognized frequency of this phenomenon [of homosexuality], its interpretation as a pathological perversion is very dubious. The psychological findings show that it is rather a matter of incomplete detachment from the hermaphroditic archetype, coupled with a distinct resistance to identify with the role of a one-sided sexual being. Such a disposition should not be adjudged negative in all circumstances, in so far as it preserves the archetype of the Original Man, which a one-sided sexual being has, up to a point, lost.' [Carl Jung "Concerning the Archetypes and the Anima Concept," CW 9i, par. 146./italics by me] [see footnote 1]

Joe Brummer · #6 02-05-2007, 09:40 AM

I have read these letters and seen these websites before. The whole feel of the "secret" letters and societies is too fictional for me. This is the same feel as the Divinci Code. It is hard to take this seriously.

Please tell me what response or discussion where you hoping to find on this. Are you just looking to promote this idea or story? I am keeping an open mind, but must admit I am skeptical of the nature of this thread. I am hoping you can tell me.

tpdncr4christ · #7 02-05-2007, 11:09 AM

what is this stuff? who is mr gardnier? what are these secret letters? o my... i am so confuzzled

TigerXero · #8 02-05-2007, 05:05 PM

Could we have some background info. I've got no idea what you're talking about.

NathanATX · #9 02-05-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerXero

Could we have some background info. I've got no idea what you're talking about.

Pacific, TigerXero has a great point.

The brevity of your commentary on the links/text you post and the absence of any previous posts makes it look like these posts are not meant for actual discussion and/or relationship here on the forums, but rather to promote another's website.

To address this concern, I strongly suggest you contribute to the forums in other ways... i.e. participating in other conversations.

Joe Brummer · #10 02-05-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanATX

Pacific, TigerXero has a great point.

The brevity of your commentary on the links/text you post and the absence of any previous posts makes it look like these posts are not meant for actual discussion and/or relationship here on the forums, but rather to promote another's website.

To address this concern, I strongly suggest you contribute to the forums in other ways... i.e. participating in other conversations.

I think we need to give this poster the benefit of doubt and not assume he is promoting anyone's website. Those sites may promote his beliefs and we should respect that while some of us spread our beliefs by pointing others to websites, dos that mean we are promoting bible.com? let us not jumpt to conclusions about this.

I would like this poster to explain his belief in a bit more detail. Tells us what this is about. From there we should respect it, but if it is not adding to our discussions of faith or nonviolence, them maybe this thread should be locked.

So, how does this post you have made relate to faith or nonviolence?

What is your motives for posting what appears to be fictional? (and may not be, I am not making a judgement, merely an observation)

I am willing to indulge this long enough for it to prove its value to our discussions of faith and Nonviolence.

Pacific · #11 02-09-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Brummer

I have read these letters and seen these websites before. The whole feel of the "secret" letters and societies is too fictional for me. This is the same feel as the Divinci Code. It is hard to take this seriously.

Please tell me what response or discussion where you hoping to find on this. Are you just looking to promote this idea or story? I am keeping an open mind, but must admit I am skeptical of the nature of this thread. I am hoping you can tell me.

Joe, thanks for your post. Scepticism is always good. But go read the newest article on the Letters by de la Censerie. It's impeccable.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/Phili...letters_16.htm

Best,
Pacific.

P.S.

Here's a quote from that article:

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'In view of the recognized frequency of this phenomenon [of homosexuality], its interpretation as a pathological perversion is very dubious. The psychological findings show that it is rather a matter of incomplete detachment from the hermaphroditic archetype, coupled with a distinct resistance to identify with the role of a one-sided sexual being. Such a disposition should not be adjudged negative in all circumstances, in so far as it preserves the archetype of the Original Man, which a one-sided sexual being has, up to a point, lost.' [Carl Jung "Concerning the Archetypes and the Anima Concept," CW 9i, par. 146./italics by me] [see footnote 1]

Pacific · #12 02-09-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerXero

Could we have some background info. I've got no idea what you're talking about.

That's because your too lazy to study the topic-starter.

Pacific · #13 02-09-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NathanATX

Pacific, TigerXero has a great point.

The brevity of your commentary on the links/text you post and the absence of any previous posts makes it look like these posts are not meant for actual discussion and/or relationship here on the forums, but rather to promote another's website.

To address this concern, I strongly suggest you contribute to the forums in other ways... i.e. participating in other conversations.

Young man, you will see that I will support any actual discussion if people ask both actual and half-way intelligent questions. And what forum-rule says I have to participate in other conversations?

Pacific · #14 02-09-2007, 05:18 AM

Joe, you wrote...

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I think we need to give this poster the benefit of doubt and not assume he is promoting anyone's website. Those sites may promote his beliefs and we should respect that while some of us spread our beliefs by pointing others to websites, dos that mean we are promoting bible.com? let us not jumpt to conclusions about this.

Nathan is not jumping to conclusions, if that is what you think. He's trying to find excuses to kill this thread and/or ban me from this Forum.

Best,
Pacific.

Pacific · #15 02-09-2007, 05:23 AM

Joe, here is my answer to you questions.

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I would like this poster to explain his belief in a bit more detail. Tells us what this is about. From there we should respect it, but if it is not adding to our discussions of faith or nonviolence, them maybe this thread should be locked.

All you need is in the topic-starter. If you have any additional specific question, tell me. [I'm very busy, so I'm not here on a daily basis. You might have to wait for the answer.]

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So, how does this post you have made relate to faith or nonviolence?

Alchemy is about deification. Of the human being.

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What is your motives for posting what appears to be fictional? (and may not be, I am not making a judgement, merely an observation)

I don't think anything is fictional about Forbidden Letters part 2, emails 12 & 13.

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I am willing to indulge this long enough for it to prove its value to our discussions of faith and Nonviolence.

Good.

Daniel · #16 02-09-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacific

That's because your too lazy to study the topic-starter.

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Originally Posted by Pacific

Nathan is not jumping to conclusions, if that is what you think. He's trying to find excuses to kill this thread and/or ban me from this Forum.

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Originally Posted by Pacific

All you need is in the topic-starter. If you have any additional specific question, tell me.

Based on the statements above, you don't seem to be having the welcome you would like here. Let's see if we can get things going in a smoother way, ok?

How about sharing with this forum how you came upon this information, why you find it of such great interest personally, and how you think it can benefit those of us here who know nothing of it, and as you say for yourself, are very busy themselves?

More carrot and less stick please.