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Old 02-02-2006, 09:57 AM
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Default PLease pray for the victims of last night's shooting

Please keep the four victims of last night's shooting in a Mass. gay bar in your prayers today! I hope they all recover quickly and that justice comes to the man who did this.
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Old 02-02-2006, 09:59 AM
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Default Just heard.

Just read about it 20 seconds ago. Those poor people! Certainly they will be in my prayers.

There seems to be an outbreak of more anti-gay violence than usual this week, according to news I've read. I don't understand people.

But I will be praying.
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Old 02-02-2006, 12:04 PM
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I offer the following prayer for the victims and those that fired the shots. I also offer the following prayer for us as a GLBT community...because when one act of violence is committed against one of our brothers or sisters it is committed against all of us.



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"I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."(Matt 5:43)

Lord, I come to You wounded and in pain; violence has been done to my Brothers, and Sisters. We are in need of Your gentle touch, Your tender voice and compassionate heart, Help us to transform our pain into new life.

Give us the strength and courage to live life vigorously again and to not be afraid of stranger or friend. Turn our despair into hope, our hate into love and our anger into joy.

Let us seek to be reconciled with those who have caused us harm. Help us to forgive, as You forgave. Help us to love our enemies and pray for those who have persecuted us, especially those who fired the shots in that bar. Bring justice and peace to the lives of those who have done us harm. Let them see Your face and feel the warmth of Your love so that they may never injure another.

Lord we pray for Your mercy and compassion, We live in troubled times, and the answers to our problems are not simple or easy. Send Your Spirit upon us to strengthen our resolve to root out the violence, hate, and fear in our lives. Replace it with Your forbearance and love. Create in us hearts of courage, grace us with the ability to stand against the violence of our day: the violence in ourselves, our homes, streets and communities.

In your many Holy and Sacred Names we pray,

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Old 02-02-2006, 12:49 PM
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I will definitely remember our LGBT kindred in prayer who were shot last night.
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Old 02-02-2006, 02:28 PM
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Default I also offer my prayers...

I pray for all of those involved in this awful incident, perpetrators and victims. I pray that all people who choose to judge us and persecute us could open their minds, hearts, and souls, and allow themselves to know us as the compassionate, faithful, loving, and awesome group that we are!! I become so fearful when an action of violence likes this happens, because I have such strong pride in myself and in my family, I get concerned about harm coming to me or us. I am praying for strength to live up to what I am, and to continue to face obstacles as bravely as possible....

I cannot find any specific information about this in the mainstream media, can anyone direct me to a site that has the information about this incident?

Be safe and secure in who you are, all of you out there. I pray for all of us today for a better tomorrow.......Peace
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Old 02-02-2006, 02:30 PM
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Here is the link

http://www.projo.com/digitalbulletin....6375bf9e.html
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Old 02-02-2006, 02:49 PM
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this hits home for all of us, I'm sure. How do you feel the connection? I feel it at least 2 ways:

My brother lives about 1 town away from New Bedford. It's easy to think that I could have been in that bar if I were visiting him. (although he's straight, it's not out of the realm of possibility that I'd be in that bar. perhaps even with him.)

I've experienced minor violence/attacks. 1 bar that I used to frequent was across from a convenience store/gas station. It was very well lit, so some patrons at the gas station would yell obscenities as we entered the bar. My car has been egged while parked in the parking lot of a gay bar.

And of course, we know this is a possibility any time we are at one of our "community gatherings."

I am cringing waiting to hear "why" this kid decided to do this. I'm hoping it's not because of the hate-speech that comes from the religious right, but I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes part of his defense.
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:03 PM
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As the police went through his room, they found nazi stuff written on the walls. That right there may give us a clue as to what has molded his thinking. Sad, just sad.

One of the reasons I am so outspoken about hate speech and hate crimes is that I am the victim/SURVIVOR of not one, but two bashings in my life. Somewhere in my head, I get around that by trying to change what I consider the main cause if hate crimes. Hate speech!

I send my best energy to these folks. Especially the bar tender who seems incredibly scared and shaken. As someone who works in mental health I can tell you the brain is changed from trauma. Chemically and even in size, trauma effects people both physically and emotionally. I hope for the best for everyone invovled.
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:17 PM
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I have friends that were victims of hate crimes as well, but I have never been physically victimized, but definitely verbally victimized at least a couple of times in my life. The speech is frightening, it seems to fuel more hateful ideas. I also do a lot of training for child welfare workers here in PA. on working with LGBTQ youth. I always end my training by talking about Matthew Shepard (you would be amazed at how many people do not know who he is), I show a picture of him, and play the song "Scarecrow" by Melissa Etheridge. It chokes me up with heartfelt emotion every time. When I hear about something like this, I feel powerless, and even more empowered and determined every time. If any of you are interested, the Southern Poverty Law Center also has a publication and website, teachingtolerance.org. I don't much care for being tolerated necessarily, but they cover many diversity issues including sexual orientation issues, hate crimes, discrimination, and how to have the courage to stand up and speak out. I have gained more courage by their information and sharing. Thanks for the link. Be well, all,
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:55 PM
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This is what happens to young minds when they are taught hate. "You have to be carefully taught." Very sad, indeed.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:11 PM
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Just yesterday I gave a new student a song from South Pacific and that got me to thinking about the song "you've got to be carefully taught." Funny you should mention it, Not-A-Lemming!

Yes, these incidents definitely affect us all. I used to work with gay bashers. Since I dealt with them all day long, I got to know them. I fell in love with them, if you will, and then they would go out on the weekends with baseball bats, and my heart felt like it was being torn apart all the time. Ultimately, I couldn't handle the emotions staying in that job, because of the exhaustion. I've also been in the crowd when some teens did a drive-by throwing glass bottles at us, and that was disturbing too. And I was thrown out of an apartment for making the landlord uncomfortable, once. Vanessa, sometimes I wonder too if there will be more scary things to face in the future, but you can't live your life wondering/fearing for some future thing that might or might not happen. You just have to live, knowing you will survive it all until the mysterious day when death comes and you will go "home."

Having survived numerous traumas as a youngster, I'm with ya Joe when you talk about brain wiring. I'm still re-wiring certain patterns that ingrained from very formative years, and I can attest to the enormous challenge of it. I'm still paying for the grave "mistakes" made by another person, even though I knew they were wrong and tried to prevent them - I was too small and could not help, so now I have to carry that burden. May I ask what you do, specifically, in mental health? Do you work with other trauma survivors? Know that I have immense respect for you and all the hard work you've put into overcoming those awful assaults and now towards protecting others from experiencing the same.

Incidents like what we're talking about scare me, but more than they scare me, they make me angry and want to fight. Yet more than they make me angry, they make me sad, and they make me want to just hold hands with everyone, pray, sing, live joyfully. I'm sad now reflecting on it all, but here are some hugs for all of you:

(edited because I left a crucial adj out of a sentence)
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:28 PM
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When one or more of our own are hurt, its hard not to want to be there for them, and feel a spiritual connection, if only indirectly, with them. When Matthew Sheppherd was martyred, our people (LGBT) cried out. Likewise, we must continue to cry out for justice, and fight against hatred with love and strength. The Religious Right are Wrong - yes, to put it bluntly, they are wrong, and perhaps a way can be found to illustrate nonviolently what their hatred (not love) does to our people. Perhaps posting pictures of fallen LGBT kindred at the RR buildings. Perhaps I am being too dramatic, but I just care deeply for our LGBT spiritual brothers & sisters.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:34 PM
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I work for a trade organization in my state whose members are mental health agencies. Mostly community mental health. I am the assistant to the training director and also the community organizer.

We organize trainings programs and workshops for those who work in the mental health field. We train case mangers how to work with their clients as well as training disater repsonse teams in Critical Incident Stress as it relates to behavioral health. We were actually doing a training the day after the Station Fire here in RI. I love my job and what I do. I am lucky to have the most awesome co-workers on the planet. They have become my friends. The people I work with even planned my commitment ceremony. It was held in my friend and Boss's backyard. My other fellow co-workers.really good friends planned everything else including getting dinning room tables to put in the garden, covered in nice linen and crystal. I am a lucky guy. I am try to appreciate that everyday! I am a lucky guy!
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:35 PM
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Yes, this truely does hit home! I feel a connection with those who are just like me...but more than that...I feel a deeper connection...a human connection. Because, more than gay/lesbian, or straight...these people are human beings. All human beings should be effected by human suffering.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:35 PM
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Vigil to be held at Puzzles Lounge, 426 North Front St., New
Bedford,
MA

7 PM Thursday, Feb. 2, 2006

A vigil will be held at Puzzles Lounge, the site of an anti gay
assault early this morning. The unprovoked attack by a single individual
wielding a knife and a gun left three men seriously injured with
face, head and chest wounds.

The Marriage Equality Coalition of the SouthCoast, in conjunction
with other community and religious groups, is organizing the vigil to
protest not just this horrendous hate crime, but violence of any
kind in our community.

The ongoing campaign to deny gay men and lesbians the right to marry
has resulted in the portrayal of the gay community as "less than
equal" by some, and has included hateful, bigoted rhetoric. When groups of
people are characterized as "second class", they then can more
easily become targets of others' rage and anger.

We deplore violence of any kind in our community. Gay men and
lesbians deserve to live their lives peacefully and securely, without being
targeted solely because of their sexual orientation.
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:56 PM
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Agreed TX - we are a LGBT family & members of the greater human family.

Wow Joe about the vigil - lets hope more people will see that violence against others is wrong, and we LGBT are just the same and deserve equality like everyone.
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My prayers are with the victims of this horrible crime. When I first read about it in Joe's blog it brought back memories of a similar incident.

Joe,
Thanks for posting this story. I’ve been busy all day and didn’t hear any news. I don’t even know if the groundhog saw his shadow, but I do know that what happened last night in New Bedford was a hate crime, and I know that some in ex-gay ministries will probably try to dance around it to say it wasn’t.
I have been a patron at Puzzles many times, (I just remembered my avatar pic above was taken at Puzzles) and although it was a shock to hear this, I guess it is to be expected with all the hate that is being spread around especially by those who claim to love everyone.
Back in the 1980’s I was at a bar in Providence when something similar happened, as 2 thugs from my hometown by their own admission were out to kill some “faggots”. They started a fight on the dance floor and were bounced out of the club. I remember getting punched in the back of my head as they fought with the bouncer on the way out. When they were outside they waited for anyone who left the club. Then someone ran in yelling that those guys were shooting or stabbing people, and then a few minutes later I heard the sirens. It was very nerve wracking, and I remember thinking that I almost left the bar. Two young men were shot or stabbed and left for dead in the street. At least one of them died. Thankfully the thugs were caught. When I saw the flashing lights from the ambulance and police, I decided to leave, and that is when I saw what had really happened out there. I wasn’t ready for what I saw as I was walking to my car.
Two young men lying on the street in a pool of their own blood. Although I was fortunate enough to not be a victim, (It could very well have been me) I witnessed “Hate in action” that night and will never forget that numbing experience.
I think that the hateful person that commited this horrible crime last night should be seen, and I noticed there was no picture of him in the (link) article that Joe provided, so, here is the story with the picture.
http://www.turnto10.com/news/6673621/detail.html

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Agreed TX - we are a LGBT family & members of the greater human family.

Wow Joe about the vigil - lets hope more people will see that violence against others is wrong, and we LGBT are just the same and deserve equality like everyone.

Vigils are a great way of showing support and love, yet at the same time denoucing hate. I fullly support this.

I have said this a million times but here I go again ( i guess I haven't said it here).

Hate crimes are like FIRES.

You can put themn out when they start.
You can try to prevent them.
You can try to teach people to deal with them when they occurr.
You can try to teach people about how they ignite.

But you will never stop them until you find the cause and deal with it. For me, I believe thay cause is religious and political hate speech adding to a climate that fuels the fire, starts the fire, adds to the climate of hate against Jews, Gays, Blacks...etc....

We must speak out, and stop hate crimes where they start, not when they happen, prevention is everything...

How do we do this?


NON-VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am happy to tell you all that I have applied to be a trainer of non-violence for the Institute for the Study and Practice of Non-Violence. I cannot afford the $245 training fee so I appled for the scholarship. Please pray for me that I get it. I so want to be a traininer of non-violence so I can teach what I know about this to others.
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Good luck Joe! You are in my prayers & you will be great as a non-violence trainer.
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The group in RI that I belong to is bent set on putting out a press release about this shooting, since it happen so close to home. I myself do not think this is a good idea. I feel it is opportunistic and wrong to use this event like that. I asked myself what good can come from us doing a press release on this. I asked myself who benefits, and I feels the answer to that it us. FOr that I reason I feel it is wrong to do so. This is the email I sent to the group. Please tell me if I am wrong or not. I am torn with this.. I feel the group will feel like am don't support them, but I really have a problem with this. Whta do you think of my email?

Hey guys,
Sorry to be the opposition on this but please consider what I am saying.

To act on this, or put out a press release does nothing to further our
mission. The only affect it would have would be to get our name and mission
out there to the public. While I am all in favor of this, I am not in favor
of using the tragedy of others to further our mission. It is morally wrong
to do that. I feel we can still further our mission without being
opportunistic and do what every other group does. There is nothing that
can come from us doing a public statement, except something for us. I have
no interest in that, in fact I feel it is unjust to do so.

We have the truth and love on our side. We have a mission based on truth
and love. As Gandhi would say our mission is based on being the change we
seek, but nothing good can come of us using this media event, and tragedy of
others to further our mission, and that is all a statement from us would be
at this point.

I am sorry to say that I cannot support us making a statement at this time.
It is self-serving and not beneficial to anyone involved, except us. If we
wish to make an offering of free counseling, or help to those
involved...great, I support that, but I do not under any circumstances
support a press release. It is too much of an opportunistic thing for me.
It goes against what I consider the principals of non-violence, and I cannot
do that with a good heart. I hope you will take the time to sleep on this,
and reconsider this impulsive decision.

Joe
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