Dobson v. Cameron

[alspaughb]

What do people think of this very public disagreement between James Dobson and Paul Cameron over Colorado Senate Bill 166 on reciprocal beneficiaries?

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/02/021706feud.htm

If you look at their respective websites you can see the dualing press releases attacking each other.

http://www.family.org/
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/

[schoolboi]

It’s interesting, but no big deal. Dobson is the one with the power.

[themattperry]

There is a very interesting article on Cameron's "research" on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website:

http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

It's scary that Cameron, who is to the right of Dobson, still has his work and opinions cited by members of the religious and political right. Among other things, he appears to be a total sham as a researcher. It's good that Dobson is at odds with him -- now I just hope that he and others stop quoting Cameron's discredited findings.

[keltic63]

I think Dobson supports the bill because it appears to be a compromise and perhaps he thinks that this will pacify those in the LGBT community who want same-sex marriage. I'm guessing that he thinks having this bill passed will eliminate the need or desire for equal marriage rights.

That said, the more signigicant event is the apparent break in the unity of the religious right. This is something that I've read will eventually happen. I've discussed this with my pastor. The problem with legalism/fundamentalism is that there is always someone who is better than you at maintaining the "traditional faith." I think this little argument between Dobson and Cameron is a fine example of that. I have also read about something similar happening in the Southern Baptist Convention, now that the conservatives are in power and have ousted the moderates/liberals, they are turning on each other. Eventually, the fundamentalists experience an implosion.

the following joke is an excellent example of this concept:

The heretic
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? He said, Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

I've posted this joke somewhere else, I apologize if it was here....

[Emproph]

And they call themselves cohorts? What follower of a Loving God wouldn’t see his inconsistency as anything less than consistent? All the millions of of hours that could have been spent raising money to defeat this measure will now tragically have to be spent focused on families.

Let me be the first to second the besmirchment of Dr. Dobson’s critics in saying that they are all “out to get him” and therefore “gay.” Proof of which can be seen in their use of the word “out” in regard to their being "out" to get him. I’ve even mentioned this to them and they’re always like, that’s taken “out” of context, ever trying to trap me in their twisted little mind games. Obviously a blatant attempt to sexualize our children's language.

Seriously though, I’m sure it’s motivated by some kind of backround hooey, and we all know Dr Dobson is blind to any background hooey (wink wink, his own mind!). Still, what a trip!

{“Bill sponsor Sen. Shawn Mitchell, R-Broomfield, has long opposed expanding gay rights but said he got the idea for his proposal after reading an essay by Ramesh Ponnuru in the National Review last June.”}

-I believe this is the essay that started it all, or depending on your religious persuasion, the begining of the end of civilization:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39400dea7768.htm

Originally Posted by keltic63

Eventually, the fundamentalists experience an implosion.{the following joke is an excellent example of this concept (Joke above)}

keltic, If you did post it here before now, I didn't catch it. Thank you, that's perfectly hysterical. You gotta warn people about stuff like that, asthmatics have lost lives over less.

P.S. Yes, how dare we attempt to “redefine” their definition of us. The “irony” must be lost on me. What better way to teach unconditional Love than a story of a God who spiraled down from infinity to show humans how to be better at being better than each other? I just can't wait for Jesus to come back and teach us all how to fear.

In fact that’s why they fear us, we hold the key to their "Christian" superiority, yet they don't realize what that means yet.
We're the "insane" in "insane threat to my superiority." The lightbulb to their moth if you ..

[Jamie McDaniel]

Originally Posted by keltic63

I have also read about something similar happening in the Southern Baptist Convention, now that the conservatives are in power and have ousted the moderates/liberals, they are turning on each other.

I subscribe to my state Baptist newspaper and I was just reading an article on this. One of the ministers who helped with the takeover of the SBC is now feeling betrayed. The current issue is "private prayer language."

Charismatic-leaning pastor feels betrayed

I'll admit that, personally, alot of activities that get described as "charismatic" are spiritual turn-offs to me. If there is speaking in tongues or wild emotions that seem to be out of place, I'm out of there. (Charismatics might counter by suggesting I would have walked out on Pentecost.)

Back to the article of the SBC. I found the entire article interesting, but these two things especially:

The suggestion that he is now on the receiving end of what he helped create is certainly "fair," Phillips confessed.

"We want to go where we are celebrated, not just tolerated," said Phillips.