What constitutes morality

[ladyinred]

It seems like everywhere i go on the internet, I somehow come across the same discussion on homosexuality ad nauseum... People quote from the bible, the same blah,blah,blah. But I've started thinking what exactly is the issue with homosexuality seen in the context of immorality? I guess the same old tired pat answer; it goes against procreation and marriage. But I didn't think Jesus said you had to have a marriage license and children to boot to be saved. I didn't think that was a prerequisite.

But looking on modern times, we are dealing with some serious problems on this planet ,one being overpopulation .In as much as the religious right would have us believe that there is no such thing as global warming & other environmental issues, the facts clearly state other-wise.Why does the population have an impact on the environment? I was reading on a science froum , that said the earth with it's resources is barely sustaining life as it is , if the population continues to increase we will run into some serious problems down the line. Our resources are hard put to work to meet the needs of a large population. They are slowly and surely dwindling. Ok so how does this procreatoin thing fit into the modern world with our present day crisis. Doesn't seem to make sense to see it in biblical terms.

What about immorality? There are plenty of things I would call immoral, but I fail to see how a same sex relationship would be one of them. Why? They are not harming anyone. What they are doing has no negative impact on the lives of others. Now I can see why other so-called sins might be considered dire: greed,gluttony, lust,envy,murder ,as I see it would have an negative impact on others. When a corporation outsources American jobs to hire cheap labor overseas , to fatten their profits, I can see the negative impact greed has on other people's lives,when they lose their livlihood, or when Haliburton overcharges the American taxpayer for it's services.

People ,to me are arguing over something to me that seems like a trivial issue, compared with the larger issues that do impact people's lives detrimentally; unemployment, poverty, lack of medical care, the environment,the undermining of education, and an assault on civil liberties & personal freedom, and a list of others.Arguing over what two adult people do in their bedroom that is of no consequence to others.. Perhaps I'm too liberal, but my definition of moral would have more to do with dealing with the larger issues than what I see as those of little consequence. Why is the issue of homosexuality being used to divide this country? I don't have definite answers. It might be that it brings people around to church on Sunday morning and contributes to the pockets of those who have made it a national issue and such a big deal.In the mean time, what is being done about the things that really need to be dealt with? Little Bobby is going to bed hungry or doesn't have shoes, grandma can't afford her prescriptions,dad just got laid off and the family might lose their home.... Now, tell me what really matters? And what's the worst that could possibly happen by giving LGBT people the same rights as others? People would still go on living , working, marrying and paying their bills, going about their usual routines and not affected in any negative way by this. So what is the big deal?It's only in the minds of the people who choose to make it a major issue or a matter of life and death when it is not.

[kimmyd]

Originally Posted by ladyinred

It seems like everywhere i go on the internet, I somehow come across the same discussion on homosexuality ad nauseum... People quote from the bible, the same blah,blah,blah. But I've started thinking what exactly is the issue with homosexuality seen in the context of immorality? I guess the same old tired pat answer; it goes against procreation and marriage. But I didn't think Jesus said you had to have a marriage license and children to boot to be saved. I didn't think that was a prerequisite.

But looking on modern times, we are dealing with some serious problems on this planet ,one being overpopulation .In as much as the religious right would have us believe that there is no such thing as global warming & other environmental issues, the facts clearly state other-wise.Why does the population have an impact on the environment? I was reading on a science froum , that said the earth with it's resources is barely sustaining life as it is , if the population continues to increase we will run into some serious problems down the line. Our resources are hard put to work to meet the needs of a large population. They are slowly and surely dwindling. Ok so how does this procreatoin thing fit into the modern world with our present day crisis. Doesn't seem to make sense to see it in biblical terms.

What about immorality? There are plenty of things I would call immoral, but I fail to see how a same sex relationship would be one of them. Why? They are not harming anyone. What they are doing has no negative impact on the lives of others. Now I can see why other so-called sins might be considered dire: greed,gluttony, lust,envy,murder ,as I see it would have an negative impact on others. When a corporation outsources American jobs to hire cheap labor overseas , to fatten their profits, I can see the negative impact greed has on other people's lives,when they lose their livlihood, or when Haliburton overcharges the American taxpayer for it's services.

People ,to me are arguing over something to me that seems like a trivial issue, compared with the larger issues that do impact people's lives detrimentally; unemployment, poverty, lack of medical care, the environment,the undermining of education, and an assault on civil liberties & personal freedom, and a list of others.Arguing over what two adult people do in their bedroom that is of no consequence to others.. Perhaps I'm too liberal, but my definition of moral would have more to do with dealing with the larger issues than what I see as those of little consequence. Why is the issue of homosexuality being used to divide this country? I don't have definite answers. It might be that it brings people around to church on Sunday morning and contributes to the pockets of those who have made it a national issue and such a big deal.In the mean time, what is being done about the things that really need to be dealt with? Little Bobby is going to bed hungry or doesn't have shoes, grandma can't afford her prescriptions,dad just got laid off and the family might lose their home.... Now, tell me what really matters? And what's the worst that could possibly happen by giving LGBT people the same rights as others? People would still go on living , working, marrying and paying their bills, going about their usual routines and not affected in any negative way by this. So what is the big deal?It's only in the minds of the people who choose to make it a major issue or a matter of life and death when it is not.

You are so sweet. I love your posts.


Homosexuality is not immoral. It is deemed so by very mean-spirited and narrow-minded people, as well as uninformed people.

Same-sex is NOT a big deal.

Well it is with the right person, but you know what I mean.

[Pablo Rafael]

Being a conservative Christian, my opinions on what is moral or immoral comes from my understanding of the Bible. I believe that people should honor and love God and respect and serve each other. Those things that dishonor God or hurt our neighbors are immoral. Any action that goes against the spirit of love is harmful. That which is done out of a spirit of love is good.

Homosexual relationships are not immoral if they are done in a spirit of love and respect. (And they are not spoken against in the Bible.)

People can engage in relationships that are harmful or self-serving. I think these are not pleasing to God no matter what kind of a relationship they are. Homosexual and heterosexual relationships can be immoral if they are not in the spirit of love. Also child/parent, boss/employer etc.

Tu Amigo, Pablo