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Old 06-17-2007, 10:59 PM
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The picture of Matthew; that is sick. I think these right wingers have a severe sickness called "NO HEART" and I think they forgot Jesus in their christianity.
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Absolutely!

We could take over the world, but we are too nice to do that. Those poor conservatives should have nothing to fear but fear itself (and maybe themselves).
We so could take over the world!!! And straight men would be forced to take classes that would teach them fashion, and how to get in touch with their feminine sides. And women would learn how to build things, and how to get dirty, rather than be dirty. Ok... so here is our agenda:

1. Be fabulous
2. Take over the world with our fabulousity
3. Preach fabulousity to the unfabulous people
4. Convert everyone to fabulousity

There you have it people, that's the Gay Agenda.

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Old 06-18-2007, 07:20 AM
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Dobson attended the event and was clapping when Lusk said it.
Same website,The author says:Two days ago, I wrote about the violent threat made by Reverend Herbert Lusk this week at the Religious Right’s Justice Sunday III gathering. Justice Sunday III had some of the most powerful members of the Religious Right in attendance at Reverend Lusk’s Greater Exodus Baptist Church in North Philadelphia: People like Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and Tony Perkins, who have the ear of the White House. Many right wing politicians were in attendance too, people like Senator Rick Santorum and Brian Bosma, Speaker of the House in Indiana’s state legislature.

So, it was pretty frightening to consider that all of these powerful Republicans applauded when Reverend Herbert Lusk made a threat of violence against critics of Christianity. Lusk told the audience,

“I want to say, first of all, be careful how you fool with the church. You mess around with the church, something stirs up inside of me! You be careful because the church has surviving power. My friends, you know this and know this well. Don’t fool with the church because the church has buried many a critic, and all the critics that we have not buried, we’re making funeral arrangements for them"
Among our chief weapons are surprise, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, nice red uniforms........
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Simpleman, Judy Shepard has a message for you:

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Thanks for the link to that incredibly powerful video --
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This statement is reiterated in the following manual. It's a good recource called Preventing Youth Hate Crime.


www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/prevyouhatecrim.pdf

My own city (NYC) has a law to deal with Hate Crimes in schools, but our Mayor (who may be running for President) will not inforce it. Activists- both gay and straight- have been trying to get the mayor to do the right thing. We simply have to step up the pressure.

http://www.nysun.com/article/55866
Thank you for the info Daniel. I'm going to download it and read it.
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The picture of Matthew; that is sick. I think these right wingers have a severe sickness called "NO HEART" and I think they forgot Jesus in their christianity.
hatecrime.org is quite a revelation. I remember visiting there years ago and being overwhelmed by the hate speech from the right.

The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.
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The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.
Indeed. I hope so too.

It's only in recent months (a year or two maybe) that I've discovered hatred does not define Christianity.

It has been polluted terribly.
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I am so glad that some people can see beyond the BS of the right when it comes to Christianity. This has bothered me for a long time. I would not call my self a Christian for a while in fear of being associated with them. A lot of right wingers think Gays are anti-God when it is more like anti some of His so called followers. God protect me from your followers and Focus on your own damn family are a couple of my favorite stickers, but afraid to put them on my car; for I live in the south; they will run you off the road for what your stickers may say. I finally got the nerve to put the sticker that is what my forum signature
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hatecrime.org is quite a revelation. I remember visiting there years ago and being overwhelmed by the hate speech from the right.

The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.
...and it is going to take God's little rainbows to make it better; through out the Bible God has always used the outcast to do His good to undo the bad of the "right-wingers" of the times.

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I am so glad that some people can see beyond the BS of the right when it comes to Christianity. This has bothered me for a long time. I would not call my self a Christian for a while in fear of being associated with them.


Well until recently I would have done so. That was the definition of Christianity. Whenever I heard someone say "I'm a Christian," I heard them saying that they had no heart for God. What else could they have meant? As a result of having been told those words, I would then avoid that person as much as possible, out of my belief that they were anti-God, which is probably why I almost never got to know any Christians and therefore find out any differently. The few times I did, I explained it away as "they're not Christians."

Those misguided few, they got the association of the word. Can the word be re-associated with its supposed meaning, ever? Possibly. It will be up to more people like you to take the word back.




A lot of right wingers think Gays are anti-God when it is more like anti some of His so called followers. God protect me from your followers and Focus on your own damn family are a couple of my favorite stickers, but afraid to put them on my car; for I live in the south; they will run you off the road for what your stickers may say.

Oh dear. I wonder. . . a few months ago, a man in an SUV attempted to run me in my little Prism off the road. To avoid a serious freeway accident, I had to maneuvre like a race car driver, and even then narrowly avoided plowing head-on into the concrete divider between the freeway and an exit ramp. For days I wondered why someone had tried to kill me. It would be awful to think it was a reaction to the gay rights bumper sticker! Now I wonder.

I finally got the nerve to put the sticker that is what my forum signature
Thanks. I got a hearty laugh from that one.
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...and it is going to take God's little rainbows to make it better; through out the Bible God has always used the outcast to do His good to undo the bad of the "right-wingers" of the times.

See, this is why I like you. Thanks!
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See, this is why I like you. Thanks!
AHHHH!! your sweet! Thank you!!!
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Let's not lump and stereotype all Christians as narrowminded, fanatical bigots. There are many Christians who don't agree with the religious right and expose them for the monstrosity of what they are and represent.

I hate to say that about anyone, but when they are so appalling in their morals what can you say? It should concern everyone. They are dangerously misguided, and because of that, they have the power to hurt alot of people, pricisely because they do have the power and influence not only in government but also over their followers.
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"Oh dear. I wonder. . . a few months ago, a man in an SUV attempted to run me in my little Prism off the road. To avoid a serious freeway accident, I had to maneuvre like a race car driver, and even then narrowly avoided plowing head-on into the concrete divider between the freeway and an exit ramp. For days I wondered why someone had tried to kill me. It would be awful to think it was a reaction to the gay rights bumper sticker! Now I wonder. "

Zerbie I'm sorry that happened, that was totally uncalled for.That person had to be really sick for doing that.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:06 AM
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" Zerbie,"Allowing this to go on does terrible things to the youngsters who are taught that gays are somehow sub-human. The poor kid who grows up with virulently homophobic parents, taken to a virulently homophobic church that supports stripping gay people of constitutional rights, is in a terrible situation where all his authority figures (in his understanding, God prominent among them) authorize harming gay people. That is the kid in danger of committing assault on spur of the moment, or with a group of like-minded "friends," going out looking for victims. No, they do not believe what they are doing when they swing that baseball bat is wrong: they have been allowed to believe that gay people are not people and by extension, they think that violence is acceptable"

Zerbie, These parental and church authority figures are doing grievous harm to these kids as well, If they actually go out and commit a crime against someone who is gay, and they go to jail. They are the ones who suffer, their life is basically ruined and so is their future.What does that say about the authorirty figures who helped lead them down that path?

Even if these religious leaders don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, they are still culpable if they incite people to violence or actually encourage it. Why don't they say to their congregations that although they may not agree with homosexuality, they do not condone or advocate abuse or violence toward the LGBT people? They can't say their hands are clean because they don't say things like that but actually support gay bashing , hate speech and have been silent (Complicit) when acts of violence against gays take place..or have actually encouraged these acts to take place.

They can't say their hands are clean because kids are impressionable and listen to the adult influences in their lives.Remember these kids are taught to obey these authority figures. I think it is child abuse to teach children to hate, because when they go out and do something negative as a result , they will have to bear the penalty of their actions.

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http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/2...shooters-pt-2/ http://<br /> <br /> http://www.re...-shooters-pt-1
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These articles will shock you because the majority of kids who were school shooters were taunted, harrassed and teased as gay ( they were straight ) So innocent kids and teachers get killed because of the harrassment and anti-gay rhetoric and abuse. So what does this say ?GAY BASHING IS HELPING TO KILL STRAIGHT KIDS TOO.

I guess when and if the idiot parents wake up along with the leaders in the religious right and see how this is not hurting just LGBT youth but straight youth, then we will probably have more shootings down the line. Murder and death seem a high price to pay for homophobia especially when your child may be the next victim at school who gets shot for other kids teasing and tormenting kids and humiliating them and gaybashing them (Even though they are straight) These shootings are sadly enough a symtom of a much larger social and cultural problem.

The adults and the schools bear much of the responsibility for turning a blind eye and not doing anything about the harrassment and torment that kids endure because of gaybashing and antigay stance they support that allows this to continue. Kids are no longer even safe at school because of the torment and abuse. No one can tell me that all kids don't suffer as a result.

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http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1

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These articles will shock you because the majority of kids who were school shooters were taunted, harrassed and teased as gay ( they were straight ) So innocent kids and teachers get killed because of the harrassment and anti-gay rhetoric and abuse. So what does this say ?GAY BASHING IS HELPING TO KILL STRAIGHT KIDS TOO.

I guess when and if the idiot parents wake up along with the leaders in the religious right and see how this is not hurting just LGBT youth but straight youth, then we will probably have more shootings down the line. Murder and death seem a high price to pay for homophobia especially when your child may be the next victim at school who gets shot for other kids teasing and tormenting kids and humiliating them and gaybashing them (Even though they are straight) These shootings are sadly enough a symtom of a much larger social and cultural problem.

The adults and the schools bear much of the responsibility for turning a blind eye and not doing anything about the harrassment and torment that kids endure because of gaybashing and antigay stance they support that allows this to continue. Kids are no longer even safe at school because of the torment and abuse. No one can tell me that all kids don't suffer as a result.
Oh, Ladyinred, I concer. I would love to start a crusade to make this more known to many school systems and the parents. My heart is with all the GLBT people, but I am real big on the youth. A few years ago I saw something on bulling in schools; which I find most disturbing. I can only imagine it must be worse for GLBT people. I was wondering about a gay version of Big Brother Big Sister program. Adult Gay mentor for the children. They would dedicate an 1 to 2 hour a week to listen and help them; just be a friend, but I do not want to be excluded, so maybe allow straight allies too. They need someone to look up to that they can trust and depend on in their lives. Irrationality usually surrounds their lives. They need to see hope from those who are now adults and are successful and have been in the same situations. Straight people have been harassed too so they can understand the fear.
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We so could take over the world!!! And straight men would be forced to take classes that would teach them fashion, and how to get in touch with their feminine sides. And women would learn how to build things, and how to get dirty, rather than be dirty. Ok... so here is our agenda:

1. Be fabulous
2. Take over the world with our fabulousity
3. Preach fabulousity to the unfabulous people
4. Convert everyone to fabulousity

There you have it people, that's the Gay Agenda.

That would make the world absolutely fabulous!!! There would be no more going straight...only gaily forward. What a fabulous agenda!!
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