Questions about Mel's booklet "What the Bible Says..."

[u-dog]

Originally Posted by tdogg

I also believe that one can condense the book into a volume containing only Christ's words, and that would be sufficient. Very applicable, as it pertains to love and compassion and forgiveness, characteristics that aren't constrained by time and culture.

Except that, in order to understand what Jesus is saying and meaning you need to understand him in the context of his culture and religion. And THAT requires the Old Testament. While his love and compassion and forgiveness are not culturally constrained many of his parables, arguments, actions cannot be fully understood in their true radicalness if you don't get his history and culture.

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by tdogg

I also believe that one can condense the book into a volume containing only Christ's words, and that would be sufficient. Very applicable, as it pertains to love and compassion and forgiveness, characteristics that aren't constrained by time and culture.

Thomas Jefferson did just that: Jefferson Bible

[Paulus]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

Well, wasn't Jesus technically a descendant of Lot then, too because if Lot was a descendant, then Jesus was, too? Again, I don't have my Bible in front of me to look it up.

Lot was kinda creepy, but case in point, that was the culture back then. Women were property, and to be used as baby factories. It was a woman's goal in life to have sons and not daughters. She was to be under the authority of some man, either her father, brothers, husbands or sons.

We simply cannot hold statutes back then as relevant today. I don't know many women who think of themselves as property anymore. Some may, but I don't know where that is a prevalent thing.

Pnggrad,

Lot's grandson from his firstborn daughter was named Moab; many years later, a family of four went to Moab because of a famine in the land. The story is found in the book called "Ruth," who is the Moabitess who returns with Naomi. Very interesting story.

Second thing I wanted to pass onto you, actually comes from a man who lived from about 50 B.C. to 70 A.D., his name was Philo of Judea.

This written in the Hebrew Talmud.
The book where all the sayings & preachings of Rabbis are conserved overtime.

It says:.

"Be very careful if you make a woman cry, because God counts her tears. The woman came out of a man's rib. Not from his feet to be walked on. Not from his head to be superior, but from the side to be equal Under the arm to be protected and next to the heart to be loved." ~Philo of Judea


( "Pass this on to all exceptional women that you know..
and to men so they know the value of a woman.")

Someone else tacked the above directional note to it...

My older brothers(2) & I were taught the value of a woman by our parents, who learned from their parents.

Have a good week & a safe holiday.

[pnggrad79]

Paulus,
Thanks for taking a stand for women. I am a Christian lesbian married to a woman and I know the value of women. I also have two daughters and they are smart, witty, attractive, and valuable as young women. I hope and pray they marry someone who will see their value and worth as women and not treat them as objects or a means to an end.

[Paulus]

A stand... over the last 3 1/2 years while I was attending college classes, I would encourage all who came seeking help from me(I was a a library work-study). Met many International students too. I treated everybody the same... like I would want to be treated.

Figuratively speaking, did I ever walk on "thin ice" with those I talked to, not that I know of -- haven't got lectured yet.

Safe driving.

Paulus