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Old 10-20-2007, 09:59 AM
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Default Albus Dumbledore, master wizard and Headmaster of Hogwarts, is gay.

Yes! The great wizard is gay. According to the New York Times, J. K. Rowling Outs Dumbledore:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts...=1&oref=slogin

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Old 10-20-2007, 08:14 PM
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Ha ha ha... I heard about this today from my friend, TigerXero, on the way to lunch. That's I found that to be amazing.... it's going to be interesting to see how the anti-gay Potter fans respond to this!

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Old 10-20-2007, 11:00 PM
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Hello! ^_^ It's good to be back. Honestly, he's the last character I would have seen as gay... ha ha ha
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:47 AM
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And Dumbledore was portrayed in the Harry Potter films by none other than the proudly and openly gay actor Sir Ian McKellen! Yay! : )


OOPS ... see below for corrections ... my mistake, LOL ... blush blush : )

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Old 10-21-2007, 04:21 AM
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Well, casual movie-goers get confused. I wish Sir Ian would have been Dumbledore. I love him so much. He's got a wonderful sense of humor.
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:24 AM
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Honestly, he's the last character I would have seen as gay....
I'm curious...was anyone else annoyed by this revelation?

I, too, agree that Dumbledore is the last person I would have thought as gay (with the exception of Hagrid because we already know on which side his bread is buttered...him and Mr. & Mrs. Weasley, of course).

Besides, if Rowling thought of this character in this way, why not give voice to it explicitly in the books (rather than on the book tour). Seems a day late and a dollar short to me.

[Disclosure: I've only read up through The Goblet of Fire...I'm reading each book right before the movie versions come out...to stretch out the experience as much as possible.]
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:11 AM
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I'm curious...was anyone else annoyed by this revelation?

I, too, agree that Dumbledore is the last person I would have thought as gay (with the exception of Hagrid because we already know on which side his bread is buttered...him and Mr. & Mrs. Weasley, of course).

Besides, if Rowling thought of his character in this way, why not give voice to it explicitly in the books (rather than on the book tour). Seems a day late and a dollar short to me.

[Disclosure: I've only read up through The Goblet of Fire...I'm reading each book right before the movie versions come out...to stretch out the experience as much as possible.]
According to Harry Potter fans, the clues where there. I extracted this comment from The Leaky Cauldron:

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I am extremely happy that Dumbledore is gay. I’ll admit though, my gay-dar did tell me something when i read Dumbledore & Grindelwald’s story. I am from now on offcially Dumbledores Husband…. I have legal documents to prove it
Posted by Lawrence Gil on October 20, 2007 @ 02:02 PM
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/20...nd-scores-more
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Dumbledore and Grindelwald

Because Dumbledore's parents were absent (his father being in Azkaban and mother deceased), Albus became the head of the family and it became his duty to put food on the table (they were not left with much gold). He was forced to remain in his house with his sister Ariana while Aberforth completed his education. Soon later, a young Gellert Grindelwald arrived in Godric's Hollow to live with his great-aunt, Bathilda Bagshot, author of A History of Magic. The young Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and together they dreamed of ruling the world "for the greater good" by uniting the legendary Deathly Hallows.

Both wizards had the idea that the Wizarding world should take its rightful place on top of the Muggles, and both believed that wizards should rule over them and put them in their rightful place amongst the entire world. Even if they were forced to destroy a few along the way, it would be "For the greater good" and that the sufferings and losses would be rewarded a hundredfold in the end. However, a discussion between Albus, Aberforth and Grindelwald led to a duel that resulted in Ariana's death. For the rest of his life, Dumbledore felt guilty, never certain whether it was his own curse or another that had actually killed his sister.

Grindelwald stormed back to Bagshot's home and departed to begin his own rule. Meanwhile, in Ariana's funeral, Aberforth became enraged during the service and punched Albus in the nose, breaking it, giving its known crooked appearance. Albus later felt great remorse for his mistakes during adolescence. As a result of them, he felt that he was not to be trusted with power and, because of this, never took the position of Minister of Magic, despite having been offered several times. Dumbledore retured to Hogwarts as professor of Transfiguration, and most likely later became Deputy Headmaster of Hogwarts as he also served in recruiting students for the school.
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Old 10-21-2007, 04:14 PM
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:03 PM
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My homophobic family is having a fit. I believe this all to be ridiculous, how some people are reacting of course. I am more than pleased over this news on the other hand, my respect JK Rowling has just soared!
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:13 PM
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Long time no see ! welcome back! yes, the pharisee christians will eat this up I'm sure!
Just another reason for them to denounce the Harry Potter series. It's popular and 'right' for the christian 'right' to publicly hate these books. Secretly, perhaps they read and love them. Openly, they cannot show that weakness...
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I'm curious...was anyone else annoyed by this revelation?

I, too, agree that Dumbledore is the last person I would have thought as gay (with the exception of Hagrid because we already know on which side his bread is buttered...him and Mr. & Mrs. Weasley, of course).

Besides, if Rowling thought of this character in this way, why not give voice to it explicitly in the books (rather than on the book tour). Seems a day late and a dollar short to me.

[Disclosure: I've only read up through The Goblet of Fire...I'm reading each book right before the movie versions come out...to stretch out the experience as much as possible.]

I have to wonder if Rowling made this statement specifically to rile the folks who are already riled by the "dangers" of Harry Potter ... she did comment in the news conference that this would be "one more reason" for them not to like her. Of course the cynic in me says, "What, you're not satisfied with the level of publicity already?" ... or maybe she's just jealous that Daniel Radcliffe (naked on stage) was getting all the controversy?

I have to agree with David, it seems a bit contrived. If you're going to write a story, write a story, then leave it alone. Let the fans make their own back story, which they will anyway. If it's essential to the character, it should have been in the book. But that's just me.

Side note: the "other wizard" Sir Ian McKellan is an amazing man ... a great actor, and a MAJOR activist. He's a great voice for our community in Britain.
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By hating Harry Potter they just further alienate themselves from the 16-29 year-old demographic. they're cutting themselvs off at the knees . let him
Yeah, very Chicken Little, isn't it? And they wonder why people don't take them seriously. It reminds me of a "documentary" we were shown by our short-term fundy youth leader back in high school called "Hell's Bells" ... on the horrible dangers of Rock and Roll, including such evil and satanic artists as Billy Joel and Huey Lewis (if memory serves).
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Old 10-21-2007, 10:35 PM
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I have to agree with David, it seems a bit contrived. If you're going to write a story, write a story, then leave it alone. Let the fans make their own back story, which they will anyway. If it's essential to the character, it should have been in the book. But that's just me.
It's not uncommon for a writer (or actor for that matter) to write a backstory for their characters. It's not the first time I've heard someone reference this kind of information. Not only that, writers can have a proprietary attachment to their characters- and often talk about them as living realities.

I give her credit, she answered the question during a Q and A honestly, when she could have skirted the issue.

And there is something else I think at work here....well...perhaps two things.

1) She's come to the end of a huge life-changing experience and is processing it in public at bit- can't blame her actually- the media has been hounding here for years and years. How she kept up the pace of writing with that kind of fish-bowl living is nothing short of amazing.

2) She appeared at Carnegie Hall! Very grand. The place lends itself to big statements!
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a "documentary" we were shown by our short-term fundy youth leader back in high school called "Hell's Bells" ... on the horrible dangers of Rock and Roll, including such evil and satanic artists as Billy Joel and Huey Lewis (if memory serves).
(sputters) Wha - ????????

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Old 10-22-2007, 07:43 AM
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I had the same take as tdogg. Now those who know Harry Potter to be of the devil have confirmation. , sigh
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:50 AM
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actually... that was ANOTHER famous wizard. Gandalf from LOTR was played by Sir Ian.
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Well, casual movie-goers get confused. I wish Sir Ian would have been Dumbledore. I love him so much. He's got a wonderful sense of humor.
Oops ... blush blush ... I should have looked closer at that photo, LOL ...

I haven't seen any of the Harry Potter films ... or any of the Lord of the Rings films ... but silly me, I actually knew that Sir Ian was in LOTR, LOL ... and I just temporarily spaced out about Potter ... sorry, hee hee : )

Anyway, thanks for claryifying and thanks (to Brent too) for the nice comments about my hero, Sir Ian!
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Is this thread about that Henry Porter movie?
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I can hear them now. Gay? Well, isn't there a spell for that or something?

Look, Dumbledore is just another good wizard who happens to be gay. And there's nothing you, nor I, nor J.K. Rowlings can do to change that. And why has no one used this smiley in this thread until now?!
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Exclamation Why stop there?

My, but you guys are easily pleased.

How those crumbs taste??

Now that the gay seal has been broken, here's another fan's question JKR can answer honestly: given all the characters in this series, who else is gay? Surely, there are others.

Think we'll get a "straight" answer?

I'm dubious.
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Now you're startin to PISS me off! You are a big, grown-up, gay activist, hot-shot, too sexy for his hat, architect in Chicago Il so may TO YOU this seems like a crumb. But somehow, I think it will seem different to the 13 year-old HP fan in Medina, OH who thinks he's a freak and a loser because he likes how other boys look in swimming trunks and he would like to kiss them. He just found out that the author of his favorite books knew from the beginning that the most powerful and wise character in the series, Albus Dumbledore, is queer... just like him. I'm thinking this doesn't feel like a "crumb" to him. And it may be better for him and for others that it came as an "oh by the way" rather than as a major aspect of the plot.

And just to be ablolutely clear. Just because you piss me off occasionally doesn't change the fact that I love you

Oh, Gawd...I suppose.

Sorry...I'm sick and ueber-grouchy this morning...er...afternoon.

And, yes, u-'er right, of course. It is all about perspective: a crumb to me may be a banquet to someone else.

I guess my point is we have to move past "a crumb being a banquet", so that a story like this is to be expected...not "news".

Know what I mean? Isn't that the goal?

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