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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/wo...exiles.html?hp
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The commitment to nonviolence? That seems to be holding, and the using measures like marches and calling for boycotts seem to be aimed to garned media attention- which was used by both Gandhi and King- though the burning of flags doesn't seem nonviolent, does it? Youth today have what Gandhi and King did not have: the internet. Will this help make a difference? Will the news of these events penetrate China, a country that protects its citizens from it's own news? I'm very curious- and somewhat fearful- as towards what marchers will encounter. I fear that the DD may be correct, but then David did strike down Goliath- which is perhaps not the best metaphor- seeing that killing was involved there..... Perhaps this is the first step of many. But there is one thing that is certain, events are transpiring before our eyes. Never, since the DD crossed over the mountains, have the Tibetans used such means for their liberation.
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As I read the update that you have posted today, Daniel, I am reminded of an excerpt from the animated movie, My Friend Martin, about Martin Luther King, Jr., which I purchased for our daughter several years ago to help her in learning about him and his life. There is a part in it when some of Martin's followers become frustrated, and fed up with the oppression, violence and threats that they have been subjected to, and come to meet with Martin with guns and other weapons; he completely dismisses that as a possible course of action, that violence begets violence. This new generation of Tibetan activists call to mind that scene for me; they are sick and tired of being downtrodden and not listened to, and are ready to see means to the ends that they perceive as more effective than what has been used.
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I believe the Olympic Games have brought matters to a head.
There is so much news on this matter this morning that I can hardly keep up. During Visit, Pelosi Offers Support to Dalai Lama http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/wo...pelosi.html?hp Chinese Christians demand end to Tibet repression http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=14826 China Admits to Wounding 4 Tibetan Demonstrators http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/wo...a/21tibet.html Other news sources find this number to be unsubtantiated. It is more likey, as the Tibetans have reported, that more than 80 to 100 people were killed. And there are letters to the Editor of the Times worth reading. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/opinion/l21tibet.html Quote:
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Or, maybe more like a DUH, FINALLY!!! kind of moment.
Maybe it is because Good Friday is typically a very spiritually emotional day for me; maybe it is because my mind and heart opened a bit more to the world. Maybe it was those powerful letters to the Editor that Daniel posted; maybe it is the fact that Nancy Pelosi, whom I greatly admire, is visiting in India and is greeted with smiles and cheers by the Dalai Lama and his followers. This situation IS about us, every one of us. The story is so much the same, yet is appears with so much more at stake. As terrifying as it can be to be LGBT in this country much of the time, it seems less risky to speak out openly than in China about anything that describes something other than what you are told to believe, think, and feel. And it is angering that the world would believe that business as usual with the Olympics is the way to proceed, and allow China to continue to stomp on human rights in this way. I feel so sad for the Tibetan people who may feel so isolated and alone in this fight for freedom of expression, freedom to be. Does that sound at all familiar to anyone else? ![]()
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You say it beautifully. What we are facing as gay Americans is NOTHING compared to what the Tibetan people have been facing. And yet they have borne their sorrows with open-heartedness and compassion. I think that is a HUGE lesson for us- I just hope more people are listening to the message.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/wo...a/28tibet.html
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This was on CNN.com this morning:
"The monks, speaking in Tibetan, claimed government officials were trying to turn Tibetans against them by telling lies. But the monks didn't elaborate on the alleged lies, according to a translation by Tibetan scholars in the U.S who listened to an audiotape of the confrontation made by AP Television News. "They have destroyed the way we are seen by the people," one monk said. "We are like prisoners here," said another. As the monks blurted out a stream of complaints, one cried: "The government is always telling lies, it's all lies." "They killed many people. They killed many people," a monk said. Later, a monk speaking in Chinese said the death toll was far higher than the government was saying. "The cadres and the army killed more than 100 Tibetans. They arrested more than a thousand." "Tibetans have no freedom," a monk said after some of them switched to Chinese. "We want the Dalai Lama to come back," said another, adding that they were certain they would be detained when the reporters left. "They want us to curse the Dalai Lama and that is not right," a monk added. The government officials then tugged at the journalists to leave and shouted: "Time to go." The monks filed upstairs. Hours later, the temple and the large square in front that is usually thronged with worshippers were closed again by paramilitary police in helmets and plastic shields. The three major Buddhist monasteries that ring Lhasa -- Sera, Drepung and Ganden -- and a fourth, Ramoche, where the March 14 rioting started, remain sealed off by police. Investigators were gathering evidence against monks who took part in protests, officials said." I am moved and humbled by the courage shown by these monks; they know that there are dangers in speaking the truth there, they are shut down at every turn, they remain nonviolent and peaceful. It really brings to light how far I have to go in the journey toward full nonviolence. I am still learning about this as time goes by, but so far, what I am learning is so disturbing..... ![]() I really admire these monks so much, and I guess any side of the struggle could be seen as the one being truthful, but in my heart I believe it is the monks who are speaking truthfully no matter what the consequence.
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Honestly- and this distresses me very much- I don't see much happening as regards beneficial changes being made by the Chinese government towards the Tibetan people. I fear that economics - and the O games- are precedence. International pressure is going to have to be intense and unrelenting for that to happen (should be noted that the NYTimes- where a great deal of coverage as appeared- was not invited to this recent press tour.) China has always- historically speaking- acted with a heavy hand. And we have too- in our own way- remember 'shock and awe'? We are in Iraq for one reason: oil. China wants Tibet for its rich geological minerals: . It contains more than half the world's population- over 2 billion, while India has 1 billion. We're going to have to wake up are realize that it's not about 'us' anymore. The Tibetans? They are caught in the crosshairs of the economics of the situation.
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“It is unfortunate that despite my sincere efforts not to separate Tibet from China, the leaders of the P.R.C. continue to accuse me of being a ‘separatist,’“ the Dalai Lama said, referring to the People’s Republic of China.
Why did Hu Jintao have the protest out of control?So many Hui and Han killed, to show the "Dalai Lama's cruelty"? The CCP dare not talk with the Dalai Lama,for that will incur attention on the autarchic system!
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Not entirely.I like to see talk between the Dalai Lama and the CCP,but love freedom for each indivadual,not based on ethic consideration.
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In point of fact- as I see it- the Tibetan people are not free: they are being oppressed as a minority in their own country. This is not unlike what happened here in the USA in the 19th century. The white man took the land from the Amercian Indian people. It was not right or just. And I do not see that it is right for the Chinese people to do a similiar thing to the Tibetans by virtual of occupation. Nor is it right for the Chinese people to try to control the religious destiny of the Tibetan people anymore that it is right for the USA to control how the American Indian people practice their faith. Two great wrongs do not make a right! It is my hope that the great Chinese people not make the same mistakes as American people did in the 19th century.
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Daniel, one observation I make of this situation as well, is that I believe that many Chinese citizens believe that the Dalai Lama is stirring the pot and the source of the trouble, out of fear about speaking out against their government, or fear of facing what the facts may possibly be about the source of the conflicts that have occurred. I know, as an American citizen, one that does not feel the need for censorship of my views as exists there, I am at times naive and even in denial about the extent to which our government here may have less than the highest of motives for doing what they do. For citizens there, I imagine it must be fear that is so much more intense, due to the years of oppression and the fear for their physical safety.
For a group of people, like the Tibetans, to want freedom, equality, and to be treated with fairness, ends up appearing as if they are demanding something that is unreasonable, when in fact, it is human. And the parallel with the American Indians in this country: that is right on. There was a level of trust at times that the Indians tried to have for the US government, and they were exterminated and the their land was taken away. But our government ended up getting their wish, by stealing so much of their lands from them, never giving any back but a bit that if they "keep their place", they don't have to pay taxes. Doesn't matter that many live in desperate poverty and addiction. So much for human rights.
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The fear that the DL is behind the protests in Tibet is based on- as I see it frankly- projected aggression. If anything, he has endeavored to teach younger (and thus inherently impatient) Tibetans the teachings of nonviolence.
The man has expoused nonviolence as a point of fact since he left Tibet for fear of his own life. He has- for these many years- asked his people to be nonviolent towards the Chinese people. Has this been reciprocated? No! The Chinese built a railroard over the mountains and brought vast numbers of people to the land of the Tibetans. Was this done in peace and love? I do not think so. It was not right for the White Man to indocrinate the American Indian. And is it is not right for the Chinese to dominate the Tibetan poeple in their own land. It is the actions of the Chinese people which has now caused unrest and protest. The DL is a man of peace as was Gandhi and King. And anyone who thinks otherwise, either does not know the man or has an agenda of his own.
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Many ethnic groups have blended with each other for a long time. Romantic nationalism of western nations can apply here?
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There has been no blending of Tibetans and the Chinese who have mass immigrated to Tibet. You are wrong sir. Dead wrong. Reports from international press have revealed that the Chinese in Tibet treat Tibetans with distain and the two groups do not association with each other. How would you like it if I set up camp on your front lawn? Would you consider me your 'friend'. I rather doubt it. For the Chinese people to virtually take over Tibet by mass immigration is an aggressive act- amounting to an occupation- no matter how you rationalize it. And you are rationalizing it. I find your reasoning offensive, ignorant and arrogant- and yes- aggressive. And from your post here, I do not know why you are trying to get support for the boycott of the Games on this forum, but it is clear to me (you have not stated otherwise) that you do not support Tibetans. ~ Now here's an interesting developement. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/wo...8torch.html?hp Quote:
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It is a totally different world, when the Olympic torch is having to fight to stay lit. It is encouraging that so many people, from all over the world, are speaking up about this. I am very interested to see what happens in San Francisco when the torch arrives on Wednesday. I am sure it will not be a quiet arrival by any means....
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...![]() AND I'm involved with a group called AWAKE (A Global Movement of Awakening Youth... an outgrowth a the work of her Holiness Sai Maa) who just kicked off their movement yesterday. I'm part of the Nashville group, and we're going to be doing, aside from our own spiritual and mediative growth, community service type work, one of the first things of which we decided would be consciousness raising about the happenings in Tibet in our city. So, I'm still involved with two groups on campus that do work for the gay community, so... I guess I'm a gay [aspiring] Zen Buddhist who is in the process of working for the gay community and the Tibetans. As for Tibet, let me post some things that YOU can do right from your computer... Take Action for Tibet! Tibet, the rooftop of the world, the home of Chomolungma (Mt. Everest), may soon have its people, their culture and their religion crushed is we do not act now. On our trail to justice in Tibet, every small step is important in reaching the summit. How far you are willing or able to climb is up to you. Here are some suggestions for how you can help: Easy Climb: Sign a petition to boycott the Olympic Games unless China changes its policy on Tibet: www.racefortibet.org. Forward it. Visit Students for a Free Tibet at www.studentsforafreetibet.org where you can quickly send form letters to members of Congress and the Olympic Committee to demand the Olympic Torch not pass through Tibet and more. Put a "Save Tibet" or "Race for Tibet" bumper sticker on your car. This helps put a personal touch on the publicity for Tibet and will continue to help raise the consciousness of people on the Tibetan issue, even if the media attention fades. Make a friend request to the Myspace profile "One Human Race ~ Justice" www.myspace.com/onehumanracejustice and read and forward bulletins with information on current developments and action steps. Make a smal donation of $10 to Giving Justice, a local project helping Tibetan rejugees in India. 100% of donations go directly to the people who need it, and no adminitative fees are deducted. Contact Ngawang Losel, (615) 478-5090 or ngawangser@yahoo.com March 31 is Global Day of Action for Tibet. Visit the link for action steps: www.tibetnetwork.org/march31 Moderate Climb: Join and become an active memeber of International Campaign for Tibet and forward e-mails to your contacts to urge them to become involved in action steps such as signing petitions, etc. Individual membership is $35. www.savetibet.org Write a short, informed personal letter to your representatives in D.C. urging them to call for China to use restraint in its dealing with Tibet and to open a dialogue with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Demand that people are no longer imprisoned for possessing a photo of the Dalai Lama or the Tibetan flag, for singing Tibetan freedom songs, or shouting "Free Tibet." Write to President Bush as well. For Congressional contact information: www.visi.com/juan/congress Sponsor a child at a Tibetan Refugee School through Tibetan Children's Villages for $30 a month. You can also make a one-time donation for much-needed supplies or send warm clothing for children and adults. www.tcv.org.in/home.shtml Read, read, read about Tibet and the current situation. Be able to speak about it in an informed, reasonale but passionate manner to people. Open a formal discsion about Tibet with groups in which you are involved. Strenuous Climb: Write Op Ed letters to local, reional, national and international press to continue to keep this issue in the public eye and to voice your personal opinion on China's actions in Tibet. Devote your time, talents, and energy to activist organizations such as One Human Race ~ Justice, International Campaign for Tibet, Students For a Free Tibet or others. Set up a Tibet information table at public events. Order or create and distribute materials such as brochures, bumper stickers, etc. to help educate people and further their interest and action on the Tibetan situation. Loop Trail - - Gobal Human Rights: Amnesty International: www.amnesty.org Action for Human Rights. Hope for Humanity. Nashville local chapter's blog: http://aiusa149.blogspot.com Human Rights Watch: www.hrw.org Defending Human Rights Worldwide Talking points about Tibet:
And YES... I did type all that. *fingers die*
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Well.....Otter- Zero....what a take charge post! Wow! When I read it, the first thing that popped into my head was the phrase from the old standard by Gershwin: "Who could ask for anything more?"
You've done yeoman's duty in gathering and posting all this information and stuff to 'do'. Really stuff. Thank you so much for your effort and commitment- and inspiration! And I encourage members here to take the climb in effecting change for the Tibetan people- who are in sore need of help. ~ I've been blessed to sit with the DL three time: the first time at a sunrise meditation in Central Park- where I sat not more than 50 feet from him. He rubbed his eyes like a kid at the end and waved and laughed as he always does- a laugh of joy and warmth. Second time during a series of teaching, and then the third time- again in Central Park. Each time, I have been struck by the man's compassion and warmth. Namaste! Daniel
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