Scary people

[ladyinred]

Regardless of what the mainstream media says, there are supporters in McCains' camp that have said aloud,"Kill him"(referring to Obama) it was caught on video and I will post it here shortly. Now this one should be of concern and is extremely offensive to black people. The way people think... What the heck do they mean only whites are Christian, that is as bigoted and closed minded as you can get.

[ladyinred]

Now this is the video where someone had shouted kill him and called him traitor(referring to Obama) but apparently this suddenly became omitted from this video, I might have to do a re-search. But just take a good look at these people and what they represent. If these people represent alot of McCain supporters we are in trouble.I'm certainly not making it up that there were direct shouts of threats on Obama's life. someone may have edited out these comments but they were there yesterday in this video. There should be an investigation into this but apparently they aren't doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

I couldn't find the original video, but here is this one;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

From Brave new films: http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/57331-...litics-of-hate

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/57757-...ally-attendees

In the video they were talking about his childhood and his name. Obama somehow they reasoned means terrorist, yeah right just like John Mccain's name means he's Christian. What does blood line have to do anything. it does not mean having a moslem backround or being moslem =terrorist. As with Christianity there are different sects, some more moderate and some more extreme. Many here in the US are law abiding ,tax paying citizens. Who have families and do the same routines as other Americans.

[sauu4equality]

When Palin visited San Antonio the Express-News reported incidences of supporters shouting,"Kill him!" when Palin mentioned her ticket's tired Sharing the wealth argument. Republican thought process:Just keep making these idiots believe we have their interest at heart and we'll keep winning elections and continue to support our own self-interests.

It seems that everywhere she goes, the idea of an America that involves the American dream for Americans other than white Americans is a terrifying thought. Make no mistake about it. This is the base of the Republican Constituency. They are a majority of McCain supporters.

[ladyinred]

I agree. Many aren't that educated, for one, have black and white views, as in us versus them. Blacks still have the highest incidences of hate crimes directed at them. Why, I don't know. But if such threats were leveled at a white candidate , how do you think that would be treated? Do you feel there is a double standard here.?I suspect there is.

Also it seems they are not really concerned with issues but their sentiments and McCain tends to stir up that sentiment in people who think like him. Perhaps it is a personal weakness o his part because he can't seem to retain a focus on what the election is about.THE ISSUES WE ARE CONCERNED WITH TODAY affecting Americans lives. Someone once remaked to me that if black people vote for a black candidate then they are racists.OH REALLY? Don't they have the right to vote for the candidate who best represents them.I would think so. It's not like they are going to vote for some candidate who is against civil rights or might have ties with the KKK Duuuuh. McCain just doesn't have a great record on civil rights. But he does have a history of having black relatives since the days his family had a slave plantation. He does not acknowledge these black relatives, but they have quite a few family reuinons with other white family members.This just came out recently.

I remember reading about Frederick Douglas as a child and hearing and reading about the hardships black people faced. It's hard enough to lift yourself out of poverty when it has essentially been imposed on you, because of racist laws of the past and the fact that black people were told to "keep" in their place. So you can see alot of courage on Barrack Obama's part in even running his candidacy amidst the hatred and death threats and other things leveled at him. It does remind me of a quote I found in one of my books on buddhism, that I am fond of. "People are always doing what other people say can't be done." And of course that takes courage . And how many people say America is not ready for a black president I 've heard it several times ,as was said about women also.

And here are words that stand out for me : I found this not too long ago off the dissident voice website)
First by Thomas Jefferson and then by Frederick Douglass:

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government.The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few to ride them.


-� Thomas Jefferson

********Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.

-� Frederick Douglass ****** This I agree with fully. Something to think about. Not something people with closed minds would want to acknowledge perhaps as the truth.

[Jennifer5]

I'm scared!!!!! What are these people thinking? Their information is not even close to accurate! These are not just people with opinions, they have no idea what they're talking about!

[inca nitta]

Honestly, to me it seemes very childish when people tend to develop extremely polarizing alienating attitudes, such as "those who vote for Obama are good citizens and those who vote for McCain are bad scary idiots threatening our nation" and vise versa.

When will it be time that everybody realizes that issues like that are more complex than they appear to us, and it is highly unproductive to pidgenhole and stereotype people like that, regardless of who they are, black, white, gay, straight, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, pro-Obama, pro-McCain, pro-Roosevelt (both TR and FDR), Cowboys' fans, Lakers' fans, you get the drift...

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by inca nitta

Honestly, to me it seemes very childish when people tend to develop extremely polarizing alienating attitudes, such as "those who vote for Obama are good citizens and those who vote for McCain are bad scary idiots threatening our nation" and vise versa.

When will it be time that everybody realizes that issues like that are more complex than they appear to us, and it is highly unproductive to pidgenhole and stereotype people like that, regardless of who they are, black, white, gay, straight, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, pro-Obama, pro-McCain, pro-Roosevelt (both TR and FDR), Cowboys' fans, Lakers' fans, you get the drift...

I agree... but did you watch the video ??

These people are not scary because they are McCain fans, they are scary because they hate Obama because he is black. They racist, that's what makes them scary.

[ladyinred]

Inca, but how are blacks stereo-typed , it happens all the time.I'm not saying all McCain's supporters lack intelligence, but these in the video seem grossly misinformed. They are reacting out of sentiment.To be frank McCain helped put fuel on the fire. You cannot say that what these people are saying couldn't incite riots or even violence, call it the mob mentality, one spark seems to set off the rest. What do they really know about Obama's past. That his father was moslem? And?????? My son's father is moslem but still a law abiding citizen who pays taxes too, and would cringe at the Islamic extremists stance and was shocked when 9/11 happened ,he certainly doesn't believe innocent people should be killed in the name of Islam, because he doesn't believe in that interpretation of Islam.but he also feels the same way about civilians in Iraq. Does that make my child a terrorist? He's an innocent kid . But I guarantee he won't grow up with a one-sided view of everything.

You cannot expect moslem people who live here to adopt everything American, they are a part of both cultures, So they either have to take sides, or integrate and embrace both. And besides being exposed to other view points has left me more open-minded as well. There is a difference in loving your country and being a jingoist or a nationalist. In Hitler's Germany we saw what nationalism could do to a country and it resulted in the holocaust. Germans were(so-called) superior to the Jews and of course the Jews were subhuman and didn't deserve to live.. This was wide spread through-out Germany, the jewish people were hated and dispised and depicted as the lowest denominator of the human race. Do we want that in our country?

That is the kind of hatred being directed at Barrack Obama. Those on the far right talk about Islam being "dangerous" , But they are just a mirror of the same thing, being fanatical themselves. They rant Islam is going to destroy us as a Christian nation and at the same time they are saying Islam needs to be destroyed. It is no different for McCain jokingly, singing "Bomb , bomb Iran" and the President of Iran's statement of Israel. Of course it is more acceptable on our side because we are on the American side and we always stand on the side of "righteousness." I prefer calling it self righteous and willful pride.. "Of course they hate us because we stand for freedom". But whose freedom? Not the Iraqi people, they see us as a occupier. And using this as an example. Suppose China decided to invade the US, how do you think we would react being occupied by another country? I do not think we would take it lying down. We certainly don't want other countries telling us what to do or infringing on our rights. What do we think other countries think in the same scenario when applied to them. Do we really have the right to impose our standards and way of living and ideals onto them????????

[inca nitta]

Originally Posted by Jennifer5

I agree... but did you watch the video ??

These people are not scary because they are McCain fans, they are scary because they hate Obama because he is black. They racist, that's what makes them scary.

Jen,

Thank you for clarifying your points, and yes, I watched the video. Let me clarify mine: I am saying that it would be stereotypical and biased to use these particular ignorant people in this video and say that they represent ALL people who support and vote for McCain. However, there are also Obama's supporters who like to insult both McCain and Palin. Just as we chat, I received a picture from an acquintance of mine (an Obama supporter) depicting McCain touching Palin's naked breasts!! How offensive! But, I think it would be biased for me to say that ALL people who vote for Obama are indecent perverts, like this narrow minded acquintance of mine. Do I make sense?

Originally Posted by ladyinred

Inca, but how are blacks stereo-typed , it happens all the time.I'm not saying all McCain's supporters lack intelligence, but these in the video seem grossly misinformed. They are reacting out of sentiment.To be frank McCain helped put fuel on the fire. You cannot say that what these people are saying couldn't incite riots or even violence, call it the mob mentality, one spark seems to set off the rest. What do they really know about Obama's past. That his father was moslem? And??????My son's father is moslem but still a law abiding citizen who pays taxes too, and would cringe at the Islamic extremists stance and was shocked when 9/11 happened ,he certainly doesn't believe innocent people should be killed in the name of Islam, because he doesn't believe in that interpretation of Islam.but he also feels the same way about civilians in Iraq. Does that make my child a terrorist? He's an innocent kid . But I guarantee he won't grow up with a one-sided view of everything.

Lady,

I understand why this particular video made you feel so sensitive and you took it so personal. I wish that your child and his father will grow to have a healthy relationship, despite all the stereotypical crap some ignoramuses, like the ones in this video, say about Islam and muslims. I also wish for this man to receive proper respect from all law abiding citizens living in this country, despite his religion, because as you said, he's just like them.

I just hope that you understand that many McCain's voters are not ignorant hatemongerers, and don't let what you saw in the video, get to you.

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by inca nitta

Jen,

Thank you for clarifying your points, and yes, I watched the video. Let me clarify mine: I am saying that it would be stereotypical and biased to use these particular ignorant people in this video and say that they represent ALL people who support and vote for McCain. However, there are also Obama's supporters who like to insult both McCain and Palin. Just as we chat, I received a picture from an acquintance of mine (an Obama supporter) depicting McCain touching Palin's naked breasts!! How offensive! But, I think it would be biased for me to say that ALL people who vote for Obama are indecent perverts, like this narrow minded acquintance of mine. Do I make sense?

Yes, that makes sense! ...and I agree,I just didn't understand what you meant when you said it before.

[Gennee]

The level of ignorance in some people boggles the mind. It shows how entrenched racism is in America, though many people won't discuss it openly. The economy and the elections are banging this point home loud and clear.

When someone says that only whites are Christians my blood boils (that why I didn't watch the clip). This also reeks of entitlement because of skin color. I have spoken to organizers in predominantly white states and there is tension between the races. The point is that people of all colors are struggling and it's time that everyone work together to alleviate these problems.

I fear for Obama's life and pray for him daily. The rest of the world is watching how this develops. One thing that these people need to knew is that the rest of the world is well aware of what the Amrican government has done to some of their countries.

Gennee

[sauu4equality]

First of all...a joke picture does not make a person narrow-minded or a pervert...that was highly judgemental.

Second, a funny picture of a lewd sexual act (not that lewd...just some boob grabbin' dude) is not the same thing as sending robocalls claiming Obama to be a terrorist as well as pamphlets with the same claim and then saying you are proud of these efforts. The McCain campaign, and many Republicans will tell you, has used their hateful base to try to win this election.

I am a political moderate. Not a hardline Democrat. I just call it like it is. The fact is that at no Obama or Biden rally has anyone called for the death of McCain or Palin. FACT. Because the Corporate media would have reported it if it happened. Plain and simple, while race may be a secondary issue, it may actually help McCain win the election and the majority of McCain supporters are at least homophobic if not racist. This is a fact. Not a stereotype. Not a naive rant. We aren't saying that all McCain supporters look like those in the video or talk like those in the video, but holding private views is just as bad as saying them out loud...This is not a partisan opinion. Many Republicans will agree with the statements I have made.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by Gennee

The level of ignorance in some people boggles the mind. It shows how entrenched racism is in America, though many people won't discuss it openly. The economy and the elections are banging this point home loud and clear.

I saw a Republican campaign TV ad that had altered Obama's face photo to make him look darker in complexion. This was nothing more than a desperate attempt to play on people's fear and racism. It's unbelievable this kind of thing is still going on in 2008.

Rick

[inca nitta]

And I saw many lewd and indecent pictures of Sarah Palin all over the internet, as well some out in the street. I understand that from average man's perspective, lewdness and indecency is a friendly joke, bur I also know that from average's woman's perspective, this kind of stuff is SEXISM.

I believe it is morally wrong to demean Sarah Palin on the grounds of her sex (I understand that she is a Republican Religious Right and that angers many people) but before everything else, she is a WOMAN first. Likewise, I believe it is morally wrong to demean Barack Obama on the grounds of his race.

I'm sure that many people will agree that sexism is as bad as racism and homophobia.

[sauu4equality]

Fine. I'll continue this tired topic. The joke you mentioned had nothing to do with her sex. The joke was saying that McCain picked Sarah because of her sex appeal. This is highly likely as she brings nothing else to the table. Read this from a conservative media outlet:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...RiNDA4YmQyODE=

As I will say again. Racism (calling anyone with an arab last name a terrorist is also racism) is the driving force of the McCain campaign. There are sexist Obama supporters, yes. But you attacked a joke that was not sexist. Sexism is not even close to the reason people don't like Sarah Palin. Many Dems would have loved to see Hilary win the nomination. And sexism had very little to do with why she lost.

I certainly did not say that racism was worse than sexism. Sexism just has absolutely no significance in this election. None. Nada. This is why your argument doesn't work. Sex is not a factor in why people don't like Sarah. If elected, the woman will destroy the efforts of feminists everywhere (including me). Is it right to put anyone you don't like in provocative, sexual, hateful depictions? No. Does it happen more to women? Yes, and that ain't right either. But stop trying to turn the argument away from the hatred that actually may change this election. They certainly are making a would-be runaway a close one. Remember, that Hilary would be winning by a landslide right now. Any political analyst will tell you that.

My grandmother said a few months back ," I'm not ready for a woman to be president, but I really don't want a black man!" This captures my point.

[inca nitta]

Sauu,

so, you are a feminist. I'm assuming that you are a female, is that correct?

Also, I would like to clarify that when I said about sexism being as bad as homophobia and racism, I wasn't personally addressing you, but rather felt a need to comment on these issues, because in my view, they are all somehow related to social justice and equality.

If I saw a picture of Obama and Biden, widely and openly exposed, depicted by McCain supporters, I would also be disappointed.

I am aware of a few too many lewd and indecent jokes and promos of Hillary being done in the past, and I don't condone doing it, either. I simply haven't thought of her lately, because she is out of the race.

The point I want to make is that there are so many reasons why different people dislike a certain political candidate, it is never right nor just to attack that candidate on the very personal characteristic they possess, such as race, gender/sex, sexual orientation, religion, what have you.

[ladyinred]

Genee I agree there are many black people who are Christians, But when you see white people spouting off and depicting only white people as Christians I would see why that is offensive, it paints black people in a negative light. That makes no sense. I remember reading about a Christmas play that some black people were having in their community, they had a black person playing Jesus.When this was publicized in the newspaper , some whites were enraged that Jesus could be depicted as black. My reaction was,"So what?" Jesus wasn't exactly a white protestant. He was probably of a darker skin and he was also Jewish and a rabbi. We don't know what he looked like actually but does it matter? Besides white people don't have any problem depicting him as a white ,brown to blond haired person. So I feel that black people have the right to depict Jesus the way they see him too.

I also understand your concern about Obama , do we hear about death threats being leveled at John McCain like that? Even on fox they joked about it and said the word asassination ,like it was nothing. No one seemed to blink when it was said.

Inca yes it is a personal issue. My ex husband has family members who live in Iran. They are my nieces and nephews as well. And still refer to me as their aunt.

[inca nitta]

Originally Posted by ladyinred

Genee I agree there are many black people who are Christians, But when you see white people spouting off and depicting only white people as Christians I would see why that is offensive, it paints black people in a negative light. That makes no sense. I remember reading about a Christmas play that some black people were having in their community, they had a black person playing Jesus.When this was publicized in the newspaper , some whites were enraged that Jesus could be depicted as black. My reaction was,"So what?" Jesus wasn't exactly a white protestant. He was probably of a darker skin and he was also Jewish and a rabbi. We don't know what he looked like actually but does it matter? Besides white people don't have any problem depicting him as a white ,brown to blond haired person. So I feel that black people have the right to depict Jesus the way they see him too.

So, very true. It also reminds me of story written by Richard Wright, a famous American classic writer who was Black, called "The Boy who painted Christ black." In it, there was a school in the segregated South, where one boy drew a picture of Jesus being black for his school's art exhibition. When asked why, he answered that Jesus was so kind and loving, unlike many white folks, therefore he must be black. When the principal of the school, after being ordered by a district superintendant to remove the picture, the principal has proudly resisted by saying he and other Black people have the right to depict Jesus how they see him. Needless to say, it cost him his job, but I believe that he did the right thing.

[sauu4equality]

Originally Posted by inca nitta

Sauu,

so, you are a feminist. I'm assuming that you are a female, is that correct?

Also, I would like to clarify that when I said about sexism being as bad as homophobia and racism, I wasn't personally addressing you, but rather felt a need to comment on these issues, because in my view, they are all somehow related to social justice and equality.

If I saw a picture of McCain supporters depicting a picture of Obama and Biden, widely and openly exposed, I would also be disappointed.

I am aware of a few too many lewd and indecent jokes and promos of Hillary being done in the past, and I don't condone doing it, either. I simply haven't thought of her lately, because she is out of the race.

The point I want to make is that there are so many reasons why different people dislike a certain political candidate, it is never right nor just to attack that candidate on the very personal characteristic they possess, such as race, gender/sex, sexual orientation, religion, what have you.

I can get behind that. I see the world in percentages. Percentages that evolve and change. Currently, at the present moment the percentages are as I have described them above. They will shift, change and evolve. I hope I get to one day see an America where the percentages of Racism and Sexism (and all forms of hatred) are so small they have no impact on politics. But until then, I think highlighting and condemning these high percentage values from certain groups of people is essential. So, shame on those out posting sexist images of Palin and shame on the many McCain supporters that will vote for McCain only in an attempt to keep a Black man out of the white house rather than the many good qualities McCain by himself does actually possess (at least historically).

[tymejumper]

That's the whole thing that upset me most. The whole sexist thing surronding Palin. She uses her looks to get ahead, and women have been fighting against this forever. She winks and smiles and plays coy when she doesn't know what to say. This of course gets the men to want to vote for her. They actually interviewed men saying "I am going to vote for her, she is so beautiful" and "she's a hottie". How can you vote for someone based on that? How they look? Especially when someoneis an idiot? Just like how can you look at a black person and say they are different? Especially when white people try to lay out and get tan????? Black or white we all bleed the same and hurt the same. I angers and scares me that some people are so ignorant. How can they be that way