AFA says gay activists are "hypocrites"

[Rick336]

Here's an article on the American Family Association website that claims that LGBT people who are fighting to gain marriage equality are "hypocrites."

They can't be serious!!! Is this a joke?

"Christians" who use the Bible against gay marriage are the most blatant example of hypocrisy that there is. They openly ignore the "God inspired" words of the Bible if it inconveniences them but bash LGBT people with scripture that works to support their hate.

And hate is really what it's all about here. If they really believed that the Bible was "God's inspired word" they would follow holy scripture word for word. But it's obvious to anybody with an IQ above 30 that they don't do this. They pick and choose from the Holy Menu of ancient laws all the words that they can find to bash LGBT citizens. And now they're trying to turn it around and say we're the hypocrites?

There's something very wrong in the minds of these people. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.

Here's their story -->http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=325322


Rick

[CaptainSnoopy]

I am trying to see the hypocrisy in the story. If he had a story where a gay activist group was beating up minorities in the name of tolerance...then yeah..the particular activist group I could see being hypocritical...but He has an a point that leads to a b and I just cannot draw the line with his logic.

Remember, though, not all Christians are dumb....just saying..some of us are actually okay.

[Daniel]

I agree Rick. There is a lot that is ignored, such as Jesus' words on divorce.

Being gay? Not a word by the Carpenter.

If conservative Christians really followed the good book to the letter, they would be raising money to outlaw divorce, not gay marriage. Not only that, they would be stoning their children for talking back.

Oh ye of little faith!

[Alecto]

THe few incidents wherein people are throwing slurs at Black supporters? Totally hypocritical. I'm guessing that's not what was in the article though.

[CaptainSnoopy]

Originally Posted by Alecto

THe few incidents wherein people are throwing slurs at Black supporters? Totally hypocritical. I'm guessing that's not what was in the article though.

No, it was not. I am not sure where the author of the article was going. I think he needs a dictionary.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by CaptainSnoopy

Remember, though, not all Christians are dumb....just saying..some of us are actually okay.

I agree that all Christians aren't dumb. Most of the Christians I know are intelligent, compassionate people. In fact, I was a Christian for most of my life, so if I thought Christians were dumbasses, I would have to include myself into that category.

But there are literally millions of "Christians" who claim that every word of scripture is the absolute true word of God (Rick Warren, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention, to name a few) and then pick out scripture to support their bigotry while completely ignoring other scripture. They are hypocrites of the worst kind.

If they really do believe scripture is "God's perfect word", then they must believe this should be the punishment for working on Sunday:

Exodus 31:15 - For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

If they really believed this was "God's spoken words", millions of Walmart employees would be executed. This proves that they really don't believe this nonsense anymore than I do. They simply don't believe what they say they believe.

In other words, they're full of bullcrap!! They know they're full of bullcrap and we know they're full of bullcrap. So why do we let them keep playing this childish game of nonsense?

They need to either practice what they preach or shut the hell up.

Rick

[Matt Algren]

You know what's the weirdest part of this? To me, at least, it's that we have the Mormons, Catholics, and Evangelicals teaming up for something. Do people outside Christian circles not realize how much these groups can't stand each other?

Not too many months ago, there was a big to-do because a Mormon was running for President and no way would the Dobson crowd ever get on board with that. It's not that unusual to find Mormonism And how many of us know Evangelicals who assert very strongly that Catholics aren't Christians? Mormons call the Catholic Church "the great and abominable church" for crying out loud!

I can't help but wonder which one will break first.

[CaptainSnoopy]

It is not like you have Catholic Priests, Mormon Bishops, and Evangelical pastors in a conference room together. They are still different. Side note from an evangelical minister....my best friend is a Priest. So we are little weirdos.

[tdogg]

A lot of locals, in reacting to various newspaper articles, our protests, especially those made in the church, and in response to our being upset that Prop 8 passed, have resorted to telling GLBT that we are intolerant, hypocritical, hateful, etc., because we refuse to accept the vote of the people, hang our heads and crawl back into the closet. What they have done (and this is especially evident with people connected to organized religion, is to throw our arguments back into our face, call us names and be outraged that we refuse to accept Prop 8.

It's kind of the MO organized religion has always used. If they can take proof of their intolerance, hypocrisy and hate and somehow throw it back on us, they feel better about themselves. I believe it gives them a sense of justification for their opinions, actions and words against GLBT.

[FoxInSox]

I'm not understanding how the no-on-8 folks were hypocritical? Did I miss something?

[tdogg]

They weren't. It's the Prop 8 proponents who are crying that, without of course any actual evidence. Basically, their rationale appears to be that because we are not accepting the vote (Yes on 8), that is demonstrating that we are not tolerant of religious freedom and therefore hypocrites, as we are 'demanding tolerance'. Or something confusing and illogical along those lines...

[FoxInSox]

umm...thanks for clearing that up?

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by tdogg

They weren't. It's the Prop 8 proponents who are crying that, without of course any actual evidence. Basically, their rationale appears to be that because we are not accepting the vote (Yes on 8), that is demonstrating that we are not tolerant of religious freedom and therefore hypocrites, as we are 'demanding tolerance'. Or something confusing and illogical along those lines...

Yes. They're the poor victims. They take away LGBT Californians rights, yet they want sympathy. It's always about how mistreated they are. It's always about how they're being attacked, or how they're being denied their rights.

Give me a break.


Rick

[nmwolfboy]

Originally Posted by tdogg

A lot of locals, in reacting to various newspaper articles, our protests, especially those made in the church, and in response to our being upset that Prop 8 passed, have resorted to telling GLBT that we are intolerant, hypocritical, hateful, etc., because we refuse to accept the vote of the people, hang our heads and crawl back into the closet. What they have done (and this is especially evident with people connected to organized religion, is to throw our arguments back into our face, call us names and be outraged that we refuse to accept Prop 8.

Yeah, as if we were supposed to just stand there and accept the stripping away of a legally recognized civil right.

Pax,
scott

[Matt Algren]

Not mine, but one I agree with 100%.

Message to the religious right - this isn't just about marriage, it's about history

I keep hearing all of this nonsense about us lgbts attacking people, about us using intimidation and violence to oppress people, about us somehow being ugly aggressors.

Newt Gingrich (who wrote the book on deceptive messaging during his tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives) actually accused us of being "secular fascists."

Gingrich's attack on us seem to be the prevailing theme with those on the other side of the Proposition 8 argument.

And I think there needs to be some historical perspective on this matter.

True, Proposition 8 has galvanized our community. We have become a bit more politically engaged in our anger. That is a good thing.

However, any display of violence on either side of the argument should never be tolerated.

Nor should letting the religious right frame the moment.

I have a few questions to people like Newt Gingrich, Bill O’Reilly, Chuck Norris, Gary Bauer, Peter LaBarbera and the rest who are trying to push this "gay intimidation" image.

Where were you in the late 1970s when Anita Bryant accused us of trying to “recruit” children?

Where were you in 1983 when Paul Cameron accused gay men of stuffing gerbils up our rectums and castrating children? Or afterwards when he went from state to state pushing his phony research papers all designed to make us the boogiemen of American society?

Where were you when Jerry Falwell exploited the AIDS crisis to generate more money for the Moral Majority? Or when those dying of AIDS were cast out of their communities and excommunicated from their churches?

Where were you when Colorado passed that law in 1992 that basically said cities in the state had absolutely no right to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination?

Where were you when over the course of 20 years all of those phony “pro-family” groups told lies in front of federal and congressional state houses in attempts to beat back pro-gay laws or spread discredited research that gave “upstanding, moral” families the perfect excuse to put their gay sons and daughters out on the cold streets?

Where were you when organizations like Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council, the Traditional Values Coalition, and Focus on the Family unconsciously gave reasoning for groups of roaming thugs to bash our heads in, chase us out in heavy traffic, beat us to bloody pulps with nail embedded boards, and hang us from fences on dark and lonely roads?

How is it that you can dare call us aggressive when for over 30 years, you have done everything in your power to make America hate and fear us?

How it is that you can dare infer that we don't have a right to get just a tad angry when for over 30 years, you have done everything in your power to make us hate and fear ourselves?

Every lie, every indignity, every attempt to dehumanize the lgbt community has brought us to this point. The Proposition 8 vote was the last straw in a chain of indignities that stretch as long as Jacob's ladder.

This ain’t just about marriage. Nor is this a single moment in time.

We are not the aggressors. We are learning to fight back.

When I was coming out, it wasn’t the fact that I was gay that bothered me more than the knowledge that so many had already written my life for me; told me who I was, what I liked, what I didn’t like, and even where I was going after I died.

Worst of all, they had the nerve to tell me that I had absolutely no rights to the words "values," "family," "tradition," or "honor."

And you know what the saddest thing about this is? I was not alone. Hundreds of thousands of lgbts went through the same experience. It was our "rite of passage."

So while I may not have a media spin machine behind me and therefore very few will give a damn about what I say, while I may not be a member of a religious think tank who is presently working to use this moment to again dehumanize lgbts, and while I may not be considered as a "leading gay talking head," I am an American, a human being, and a child of God.

Therefore, I will never forget what has brought me to this point of outrage.

And I will do my best to make sure that this country never forgets either.

Lastly, I will do my best to make sure that YOU never forget.

[MCstudent]

So, the AFA is pretty much in my backyard.... Tupelo, MS, about 2 and a half hours north of me- also the birthplace of Elvis, but thats besides the point...

They apparently donated $500,000 to yes on 8.. Theres talk of No on 8 supporters here caravaning to Tupelo in January to pay the headquarters a visit.... I don't know much about it yet at this point though.

That article provided no valid reason for claiming that Christians in support of No on 8 are hypocritical... I cant see how they could claim that, yet not look twice at themselves... Last time I checked, I was called to love others, to not judge or I'll be judged, to treat others how I want to be treated.... I plan on doing my best to uphold my understanding of Scripture whether or not they- or in my case, people at my school- think I'm being hypocritical.

[sjbouza]

them needing to take the plank out of their eye before they attempt to take the sliver out of someones elses.

Man does that sound familiar to anyone? Where have I heard that on before???

OH YEA...THE BIBLE!

Maybe I am wrong about my assumptions about that little sliver of the Bible, but I think it to mean that you need to be right with EVERYTHING in your life before you start pointing out faults in others. I am not saying that everyone, including our side, is not at fault in this area. So that would tell me that both sides just need to take a look at their own lives first and get themselves right. Just stop worrying about what "the other guy" is trying to do. Christians that are against same sex marriage stay on your side of the playground and we will stay on ours. We won't make you do anything that you don't want to do and you give us the same respect by not shoving your beliefs upon us. Does that sound fair?

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! @#$%$ #%^^&r &^*^(*( (%$#() *^$*)(&(!!!!!!

Sorry, just needed a little frustration breaker there without actually writing the words. Like I have said in other posts everyone is getting hung up on this word "marriage". Marriage is a ceremony and nothing more. It was a shame that the government had to adopt it into its civil union. That is the whole problem. Get over the word everyone. If a church doesn't want to perform a same sex union then they don't have to. Some of you may say that we need the word to be equal. I agree and disagree on that point. What does it matter what a same sex union is called as long as IT IS RECOGNIZED BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and it treated the same as a marriage. Please don't cry separate but equal on me here. Would you rather have something that gives us the same rights and privileges as a hetero couple have or nothing? If we get our foot in the door then we have a a better chance to change it later. That is the way civil rights accomplished their goals. They got the separate but equal stuff then they went to the courts and said that it just isn't the same.

We need to stop trying to jump to the top of the mountain and get everything NOW! We will fair much better when we take smaller steps to reach that peak.

Just my two cents. I know some of you may be offended by what I have wrote and even angry at me. Some of you may think that I am settling for something that just isn't the same. In all honesty, I would rather have food in my hand instead of standing outside the restaurant looking in at all the people eating.

Peace & Love,
Scott

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by Matt Algren

Not mine, but one I agree with 100%.

Matt,

Thanks for posting that great essay. There were very moving words.

Rick

[Zerbie]

Originally Posted by sjbouza

Some of you may say that we need the word to be equal. I agree and disagree on that point. What does it matter what a same sex union is called as long as IT IS RECOGNIZED BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and it treated the same as a marriage. Please don't cry separate but equal on me here. Would you rather have something that gives us the same rights and privileges as a hetero couple have or nothing? If we get our foot in the door then we have a a better chance to change it later. That is the way civil rights accomplished their goals. They got the separate but equal stuff then they went to the courts and said that it just isn't the same.

Peace & Love,
Scott

Here's the problem: those determined to avoid recognizing gay unions use the absence of the word "marriage" as rationale for depriving them of rights, custody, benefits etc., stating that although the couple has a civil union, a civil union is not a marriage and therefore not to be recognized. Parents have lost custody of their children over this word.

Otherwise I am 100% in accord with you.

[sauu4equality]

Originally Posted by sjbouza

We need to stop trying to jump to the top of the mountain and get everything NOW! We will fair much better when we take smaller steps to reach that peak.


Peace & Love,
Scott

I feel like this is exactly what Utah of all places is doing. Check out the link. Their new Common Ground Initiative is truly moving. They are asking that the Mormon Church make good on its word. The LDS has actually stated that they would support civil unions. There are 5 bills being introduced under the Common Ground Initiative. We need to follow this story with high interest. If they are successful, this becomes the model. How amazing would it be if a consequence of Prop 8 was a large-scale advancement of gay rights in Utah?!!?

http://www.equalityutah.org/

This link and story absolutely needs its own thread. I am so moved by these people's work and genius. Please, keep in mind, many of them are Mormons...