Did Obama con us?

[Matt Algren]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Signed a memo (not an executive order) today giving gay federal employees some benefits. Unfortunately, health care benefits and SS were not among them. However, Obama needs Congress to change the law. He declared that he would work with Congress to get this done.

It this a little balm in the wound from earlier in the week? Oh....maybe just a tiny bit.

But I don't think we should let up on the heat for moment.

BTW, none of the new benefits are new. They've been available to partners of gay employees since the Clinton administration. All he did was tell people in the federal government that they have to give them until he leaves office.

[BruceChris]

Like every president before him, president Obama has campaigned on issues that he cannot deliver on fully, or immediately. The easy stuff we almost always see in the first hundred days. Unfortunately, he has to focus his political capital on his policy priorities. His current, and probably largest priority appears to be national health care, and it won't come cheap or easy.

Homophobia can be thought of as a fear that is probably unconscious, that most people don't want to admit to, understand, or wish to talk about. It can be thought of as negative political capital that in this case cannot be dealt with in an effective or constructive manner, especially as no one wants to talk about it. The mere fact that a political fiction like DOMA can exist attests to this.

I chose to see Barack Obama as a politician who is more progressive, and does support our interests. I would see his mentioning our interests recently as a way of reminding us of that. However, the ruling issued by the Department of Justice recently was abusive, bigoted, and full of half truths and outright lies. While I realize that he neither wrote nor read this piece, it did happen on his watch, and I do hold him fully responsible for it. Since he has left me his (public) email address, I will get back to him on this.

I hope to see many of you the weekend of Oct 11th.

Peace, and at the moment, not so much Love, Bruce Chris

[Daniel]

There is an very good summation of events here:

http://wockner.blogspot.com/2009/06/...ams-obama.html

[Daniel]

The Obama administration is looking for a way to include gay couples in the census count coming up.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124537164093129827.html

[awediot]

The whole two party system and spectacle of an "election" is a con. Obama conned America, and we're a drop in the bucket...

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by awediot

The whole two party system and spectacle of an "election" is a con. Obama conned America, and we're a drop in the bucket...

No. He didn't.


Rick

[awediot]

Originally Posted by Rick336

No. He didn't.


Rick

Just wait...

[tymejumper]

Hey, I wanted the Ball Breaker in there, but no....

Give me a strong woman anyday! As for Obama, I still feel he is only 49% for us and 51% for them. I think he is way too worried about his next term in office to give us freedom and equal rights.

I had an interesting conversation with a friend whom pointed out that he felt the words were almost exactly what Bush would have said, and perhaps he was unaware of what the release actually entailed. Maybe he overlooked things or just skimmed it or whatever.

Whatever the case is, I think that all the people pulling out of his and Bidens
dinner fund raiser has made a powerfull statement in itself.

And yes, I feel sold out, like a cheap rented whore sold out.

[BruceChris]

John Berry, the highest ranking LGBT official in the Obama administration, announced at Washington D.C.’s Capital Pride Festival Sunday that the Obama administration hopes to secure passage of Hate Crimes this coming week. And pass ENDA, repeal DADT and DOMA, before "the sun sets on the Obama administration". No mention made of trans issues.

http://advocate.com/print_article_ektid90371.asp.

Whether this will happen, and how soon remains to be seen. I still can't quite forgive Obama for that DOJ brief.

Namaste, Bruce Chris

P.S.: Tyme, you're Hilary-ous, and yes, I voted for her, too.

[awediot]

Originally Posted by BruceChris

John Berry, the highest ranking LGBT official in the Obama administration, announced at Washington D.C.’s Capital Pride Festival Sunday that the Obama administration hopes to secure passage of Hate Crimes this coming week. And repeal DADT and DOMA, before "the sun sets on the Obama administration"

http://advocate.com/print_article_ektid90371.asp.

Whether this will happen, and how soon remains to be seen. I still can't quite forgive Obama for that DOJ brief.

Namaste, Bruce Chris

Sorry, I forget it really is all about being gay here... My bad.

[BruceChris]

"Amazingly, the (DOJ) brief contends that the Defense of Marriage Act does not discriminate against gays because gays could, if they chose, marry a person of the opposite sex and enjoy all the benefits of marriage.

As Anatole France wrote: "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Everyone is entitled to a nice heterosexual marriage. What's the problem?"

This would be rich, if it wern't so sick. Bruce Chris

[tdogg]

Until I hear Obama apologize for that ugly hateful brief in his own spoken words, I will hold that against him. However, I will not give up all hope that we will see some progress in regards to GLBT issues, in the next 3.5 years.

[awediot]

Originally Posted by tdogg

Until I hear Obama apologize for that ugly hateful brief in his own spoken words, I will hold that against him. However, I will not give up all hope that we will see some progress in regards to GLBT issues, in the next 3.5 years.

It's inevitable whoever is in office...

[RedneckDyke]

I don't know why this is so surprising. Obama has always been just a politician. I don't know why conservatives were so a-scared of him and liberals thought he walked on water.

I don't trust politicians period. That's why I'm a libertarian. God bless and keep the government far away from me. (Acknowledging whoever wrote Fiddler)

[peoplegottabefree]

I agree with you 100% Kara...it was the first time i had voted in 8 years. I cried to. Living overseas I had to do an absentee ballot and I corralled alot of other expats to go and vote for him...now I feel incredibly....stupid and incredibly cheated.

[Matt Algren]

Originally Posted by RedneckDyke

I don't know why this is so surprising. Obama has always been just a politician. I don't know why conservatives were so a-scared of him and liberals thought he walked on water.

I don't trust politicians period. That's why I'm a libertarian. God bless and keep the government far away from me. (Acknowledging whoever wrote Fiddler)

I've yet to meet someone who thinks or thought that President Obama walks on water.

[awediot]

Originally Posted by Matt Algren

I've yet to meet someone who thinks or thought that President Obama walks on water.

It is just sad to see people hinge their hopes on what is still the product of this corrupt system.

You've got to know that by the time someone becomes a viable candidate for president, they've already sold their soul to the devil. It amazes me people really thought he'd be that different.

[tymejumper]

I have often wondered that myself. People get so mad that they get lied to by a politician, when they are originally elected because they lie the best.(may the best liar win!)

We forget that a single person can not change things. He can toss a pebble in a stream that makes a ripple that bumps a frog that makes him jump and it jumps into the path of a car that hits it and the driver is so traumatized that he stops and gets out and finally gets a bunch of people together to create a nature preserve to protect the wetlands. Unfortunately that is how it all works.

Obama has to get his idea through alot of people. With our checks and balance system of government a bill or change had to go through so many levels to get passed, I am surprised that the government can even wipe its own ass most of the time. One hand does not know what the other is doing, someone fills a buster or puts on all these different riders on a bill that no one in their right mind would vote for it.

We really need to dissemble the governemnt, and rebuild it from the ground up. Until then I am afraid that not a whole lot will change.

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by tymejumper

We really need to dissemble the governemnt, and rebuild it from the ground up. Until then I am afraid that not a whole lot will change.

I voted for Obama too and caught holy hell from my republican brother and parents. My response to them was "well Obama is actually too conservative for me but the alternative is even farther from my comfort zone." I said this in jest and to provoke them playfully. Strange that it turned out to be true later on!

[tymejumper]

Scott,
stop using your pagan powers to tell the future will ya????