Anti Gay Private Message

[schoolboi]

I recently received a private message from someone on the forum who seemed to be offering me God's forgiveness for being gay and prayer to change.

This is not acceptable.

If anyone else receives a message like this please forward it to me.

Thanks!

[Vanessa White]

Will do, Schoolboi. best of luck for these next weeks as moderator.

[keltic63]

Is anyone else struck by the randomness of this? I mean, there are so many of us who make it clear that we are gay. Why was it just schoolboi who received the private message? I find it funny in a quirky kind of way

[Rick336]

I've gotten a couple from outside the group apparently as a result of my opinions on other sites. I ignore them.

Rick

[Daniel]

Will do schoolbio. Haven't gotten any myself yet. One wonders what the sender thinks he or she is trying to accomplish. Has this person read anything you have to say on the matter? One thinks not. Not only is it not acceptable it's rude.

[schoolboi]

Originally Posted by Daniel

One wonders what the sender thinks he or she is trying to accomplish. Has this person read anything you have to say on the matter? One thinks not. Not only is it not acceptable it's rude.

The message was not very specific, but I could see where it was heading. I believe we have a similar denominational back ground. That might have been the catalyst.

[Jennifer5]

Sorry to hear that Corey.... will let you know if I get anything..

[FreeIndeed]

Even though I'm probably too new here to get something like that, I will keep an eye out and let you know if I get anything Schoolboi. Coming from a fundamentalist christian backround, I know how that feels and it is indeed totally unacceptable.

[Mia14]

After hearing all your opinions and comments on this site, how did they honestly think you'd respond to their message? They must know that your beliefs are firm and that such a message would stir things. That's all I can see. I haven't received any messages yet, but I'd hope people would know that they wouldn't get the reply they'd want from me. don't get me wrong - I'd try to be civil, but there's no way any amount of prayer is going to change what is naturally and wholly me.

[angeleyes]

DON'T PAY THEM NO MIND SWEETY.SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST RUDE AND IGNORANT.THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING.BELIEVE ME,I GET RUDE REMARKS FROM CERTAIN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF BEING BI SEXUAL.....I JUST IGNORE THEM.......

[Giancarlo]

This kind of attitude (referring to this PM) is totally inapproriate, and is extremely ignorant. Sexual orientation is just because. It doesn't need a cure, nor should it be repressed. Repression is unacceptable and totally anti-democratic.

I really want to refer you to my signature, as I feel it is deeply relevant to what these people are about. I have no problem with some bozo voicing his views... what I do have the problem is when they start to push this view onto me, and others. I also have a problem when they try to convert their anti-democratic, almost neo-fascist views into legislation.

We have to stay vigiliant because these people are quite sneaky and use manipulative tactics. They say they are welcoming with "open arms and love". This supposed "love" is something a gay or lesbian cannot experience because they "run counter" to their perverted views of religion. These people are no better, reliable, or decent then Nasrallah and his group Hezbollah, who are abusing the Lebanese people for their own political gain.

[Huggins293]

We have to stay vigiliant because these people are quite sneaky and use manipulative tactics. They say they are welcoming with "open arms and love". This supposed "love" is something a gay or lesbian cannot experience because they "run counter" to their perverted views of religion.

I write against heterosexism as a fulll time hobby! So I can feel understand your resentment. However, there are sincere anti-gays out there who think homosexuality is a disorder. I can certainly understand why this is an insult to homosexuals. However, they do not have any agenda accept to cure in their mind the disease of homosexuality. We all know that homosexuality is not a disease and the true disease is heterosexism. It comes in the form of peace and sincerity as you experienced and it comes in the form of insults and violence that gay and lesbians expereince in America.

The only method to expose the corrupttoin in these types of heteorsexists is either to reveal evidence that exposes the bible as fallible or expose the heterosexist intepreation of the popular alleged anti-gay verses of leviticus.


[COLOR="Blue"]These people are no better, reliable, or decent then Nasrallah and his group Hezbollah, who are abusing the Lebanese people for their own political gain.[/COLOR]
I would not put them in that cateogory because they do not view homosexuality in policital terms they view it as an issue of salvation. Clearly they are misguided and need passive and aggressive education. But to compare them to terroists is a bit of a stretch.

[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by Huggins293

I write against heterosexism as a fulll time hobby! So I can feel understand your resentment. However, there are sincere anti-gays out there who think homosexuality is a disorder. I can certainly understand why this is an insult to homosexuals. However, they do not have any agenda accept to cure in their mind the disease of homosexuality. We all know that homosexuality is not a disease and the true disease is heterosexism. It comes in the form of peace and sincerity as you experienced and it comes in the form of insults and violence that gay and lesbians expereince in America.

I don't think those people are sincere in any sense as they lie to themselves. What other reason do they have to be anti-gay if it isn't extreme religion? There is no other reasoning for their attitude towards us. I feel that their attitudes are an unwarranted threat to democracy itself, and an attack on my civil liberties.

I do partially agree with what you say about heterosexism, however.

I would not put them in that cateogory because they do not view homosexuality in policital terms they view it as an issue of salvation. Clearly they are misguided and need passive and aggressive education. But to compare them to terroists is a bit of a stretch.

They view it as an issue that they feel that is a disease and needs to be stamped out. I think they do resort to terrorist methods often, and these are the people I refer to as the "American Taliban". I think they are ignorant, and their own minds have been used by conservative mouthpieces.

I might be atheist, but I am not out there declaring that any practice of religion is evil. The only thing that I think is evil is the attempted perversion of democracy and the rule of law by these groups of extremists. Extremism runs counter to democracy itself and that is why I think my comparsion to Nasrallah stands.

[Zerbie]

Again, a distinction needs to be made between leaders and followers. Those who trustingly follow what they are taught by extremist leaders about homosexuality, who are sincere and genuine in caring about it as a "problem" without understanding that it is not one, need to not be lumped in with those toting an agenda.

However, an agenda there IS, and there are extremist leaders who have been following it for years. Those leaders have had the education, opportunities, and life-experiences to put them in a position to know better and yet they willfully and intentionally promote anti-gay messages because they know it works to their advantage as they attempt to gain political power. Those people are indeed toting an agenda and for them homophobia is absolutely politicized.

[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by Zerbie

Again, a distinction needs to be made between leaders and followers. Those who trustingly follow what they are taught by extremist leaders about homosexuality, who are sincere and genuine in caring about it as a "problem" without understanding that it is not one, need to not be lumped in with those toting an agenda.

Those who follow empower those who lead. Those [the followers] who denounce homosexuality are helping those in power abuse the LGBT population even more. Don't think the followers are innocent by any means. I'm quite sure any human is capable of learning in this day and age, especially if they have access to a computer and the internet. People are totally capable of accessing this pool of information, and if they hold hateful views they hold them willingly in total defiance of the facts.

This goes for anyone who can access a computer and the internet. If there are people who do not have that and hold these hateful views... I do agree with you to some extent. That's more of ignorance, and not arrogance and self-righteousness.

But to say these "followers" are innocent is incorrect.

[Zerbie]

Where did I say "innocent"? We can go on and on about each individual having responsibility to think this through for him/herself - I'm not on here to say that they're "innocent." They SHOULD be using that responsibility. But that's a completely separate point from the one I was making which is that this anti-gay stuff IS politicized, the anti-gay forces DO have an agenda, and that is the point of my post.

[revtj]

I got spammed bombed on another account related to Soulforce. My goodness, the work for Jesus Christ, Objectified Heterosexual, can certainly get down and nasty when it needs to. They believe they are at war and it is truly interesting to see Jesus' supposed military strategy. If these were really my choices, I'd say "Give me Barrabas!"

[Huggins293]

Originally Posted by schoolboi

I recently received a private message from someone on the forum who seemed to be offering me God's forgiveness for being gay and prayer to change.

This is not acceptable.

If anyone else receives a message like this please forward it to me.

Thanks!

I would ignore that person for he is very ignorant. I would like to help rid this type of thinking.

BTW Off the subject, I would like to volunteer to help and support gay teens on an interactive level. I am not a pyschartrist but I would like to help any way I can with gay teens. I would also like to attend meetings about heterosexism and legal issues in the DC area. Do you know of any online resources that can help me?

[scott snedeker]

Dear Schoolboi,

Always Remember that You are a man with the soul of a man. When you make love to another man, you please God with the afffirmation of your true nature. It is a holy encounter. The more you love, The closer you are in connection with the spirit that knows your soul. This is why It feels good!

Love and affirmation,

Scotty