I haven't responded to this yet....

[Lydia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa White

that we as gay persons are just demanding our own way, like a bunch of spoiled children who didn't get what they wanted at any given time. It is like we have to earn priviledges by playing by what they say the rules are, rather than having the same basic rights as other human beings have. And then, basically saying that we are okay with you being gay, just don't ask for too many civil rights, don't ask to be treated fairly, don't ask me to try to think about things a different way. Isn't that what learning about other human beings is all about?

Yeah, that's the same attitude I'm coming up against in a conversation I'm having with someone on another board. The other poster insists that by working to make same sex marriage legal we're asking for some kind of "special rights" or special treatment.

[Daniel]

Emproph- Thank you for your illuminating words. They are the match which sets our strawman to flame. Burn baby burn!

When all is burned away- there is only Love.

[keltic63]

When I was a child, the first car I rode in had no seatbelts, not even a carseat for babies. Cars were not designed by their makers to have seatbelts. As seatbelts were not standard on the first cars, I believe this is how their creators intended them to be. We must protect the sanctity of cars!

Oh sure, there were a few activists out there, trying to shove their ideas down the throats (or around the waists, as it were) of car owners. A few of those European countries were toying with the idea of seatbelts as early as 1849 (Volvo), but fortunately this is America. This insidious disease of seatbelts snuck past all the safeguards built into the constitution by our Founding Fathers and walked right into the US Patent Office in 1849, when Edward J Claghorn of that Sodom and Gomorrah known as New York City received a patent for his safety belt. The Car Creators were able to exert their power as the good car owners continued to purchase cars without seatbelts.

Eventually, those screeching Seatbelt activists made inroads, quietly, into the automotive design industry. They infiltrated the factories and offices of the largest car manufacturers. Before anyone could notice what was happening, seatbelts became standard equipment on cars in 1963. it was a slippery slope from there on out. By 1965, seatbelts found their way to the back seats as well. Soon, even the good people who knew of the original beltless cars were not only tolerant of seatbelts, they were using them!

These activists would not be stopped! eventually the seatbelts turned into shoulder restraints. Airbags were added on the driver and front passenger seats. But were these extremists on the fringe satisfied? No. They continued to advocate for their "special rights" to safety. They convinced the car makers to add side impact air bags. They lobbied the government to make laws requiring cars to have the additional belts and airbags. And THEN, they went after our children, requiring innocent young babies to use safety seats, and booster seats for young kids. All of this was done so that seat belts would be accepted as "normal."

We must put an end to this! We need a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of cars! Cars were designed without safety belts, and for years were manufactured without safety belts. Cars do not need safety belts now! Traditional cars must be preserved. Join me in boycotting car manufactures who insist on installing, even forcing upon us, the new definition of cars!

I refuse to drive a car with safety belts or airbags, and I refuse to let my children to be brainwashed into thinking that such things are "normal."

[Emproph]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Emproph- Thank you for your illuminating words. They are the match which sets our strawman to flame. Burn baby burn!

Thank you for that much needed mental imagery.

Originally Posted by Daniel

When all is burned away- there is only Love.

Remove all illusions and the truth (of Heaven) becomes apparent.

[Emproph]

Originally Posted by keltic63

We must put an end to this! We need a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of cars! Cars were designed without safety belts, and for years were manufactured without safety belts. Cars do not need safety belts now! Traditional cars must be preserved. Join me in boycotting car manufactures who insist on installing, even forcing upon us, the new definition of cars!

I refuse to drive a car with safety belts or airbags, and I refuse to let my children to be brainwashed into thinking that such things are "normal."

Nope, I definitely didn't read that before.

[Dash]

Lewis wrote somewhere that, for some people, love can be almost all hate and they'll still think it's love.

I'm sorry, I can't remember from which book this comes, but I keep thinking that the concept is germane to a lot of the discussions we have here. The anti-gay bigotry and politcal oppression that comes from many Christians is almost all hatred except for one little kernel of love stated as, "we just want to save you from hell."

They hang a lot of hate on that one.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by keltic63

We must put an end to this! We need a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity of cars! Cars were designed without safety belts, and for years were manufactured without safety belts. Cars do not need safety belts now! Traditional cars must be preserved. Join me in boycotting car manufactures who insist on installing, even forcing upon us, the new definition of cars!

I refuse to drive a car with safety belts or airbags, and I refuse to let my children to be brainwashed into thinking that such things are "normal."

This is a fast movin' analogy Steve. Watch out! It's gonna run right over some dogma.

Originally Posted by Dash

The anti-gay bigotry and politcal oppression that comes from many Christians is almost all hatred except for one little kernel of love stated as, "we just want to save you from hell."

And Dash- your thought here reminds me of the madness of the father who beats his child with a strap and says: "This is hurting me more than it's hurting you."